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Sir Roy Meadow to face inquiry

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musica · 18/12/2003 14:56

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Blu · 21/01/2004 11:04

Bunglie, I am so so sorry. I watched the news last night, and I am sure that every civilised member of the public in this country will feel for you and women like you. As the government HAVE agreed that thousands of cases will need to be reviewd, I wonder whether you should contact your M.P and tell him/her the story that you have told us. 'Justice' can never be retrieved for you and your children, but like the Truth and Reconciliation process in South Africa, an official apology and acknowledgement that injustice it most certainly IS, is needed. I hope you get it.

Bossykate, YES. I think it is a mysogony deeply embedded in our 'justice' system that enables male experts to glibly pronounce judgement on women, and that Roy Meadows is only one part of a heavily loaded dice. Judges, juries, all discounted the voice of women.

aloha · 21/01/2004 11:16

BK, I agree too. I cannot believe he's got away with it for so many years.

Bunglie · 21/01/2004 14:52

So many thanks to you all for your encouragement. I have been sat here crying! I at least thought that someone would agree with the courts decision to take away my children. I have now made a decision thanks to you all I am going to contact my M.P. for advice. The problem I have is that I am in fact breaking the law by even telling you about my situation. The case was heard in front of a Family Division High Court Judge, in Chambers. After his Judgment was made he also made a ruling that the papers were to be 'sealed'. The solicitor at the time explained to me that I would be in contempt of court if I discussed the case with ANYONE, even with the witnesses that had already been involved, so I could not talk about it even if I had wanted to and this apparently is to protect the children. The court order still stands today. I am not certain if it applies to legal people like solicitors, but it did apply when after the case I tried to get some psychiatric/psychotherapy to help me cope with the loss of my children and was told I was NOT allowed to discuss the case with them. So I could not get any help back then and it also meant that I was unable to put my side of the story to the doctors who knew of the fact I had been labelled as having MSBP. I could not defend myself then and the law states that i can not discuss the case with a journalist or anyone now. I am hoping that an M.P. is exempt and can advise me. I will let you know how I get on. Many Many thanks for your encouragement again because wihout it I would have done nothing. You have all made a difference.

sykes · 21/01/2004 14:56

Sorry, Bunglie, my help would have been press coverage - obviously no use.

Jimjams · 21/01/2004 14:57

Bunglie- someone who may be able to help is Paul Shattock in Sunderland-I don't think he will be able to help your case but he may know where you can go for help. He has been involved with cases in Sunderland where autistic children were taken away from parents having been wrongly accused of MSBP. Alternatively the NAS may be able to help- see the link below. I know your children are not autistic but autism agencies tend to have quite a lot of dealings with false accuasations- compared to the general public anyway. I think the Jeremy Vine show had something on it this week as well- maybe you can get there from the Radio 2 website

Anyway Paul Shattock can be contacted through the ARU

So sorry to hear this happened to you.

Jimjams · 21/01/2004 14:58

Oh and I know private eye have been interested in similar cases. I've read quite a bit recently.

Blu · 21/01/2004 15:05

And please lets not refer to the bloody man as 'Sir'. He deserves no honours from women.

aloha · 21/01/2004 15:24

Bunglie call the solicitor - you have a right to have your case reviewed. They won't be able to stop you talking to a solicitor I promise. You may even be in line for compensation. The fact that there is going to be this judicial review has blown this wide open.
That man deserves to be put up against a wall IMO, and I don't normally think like that. Evil.

aloha · 21/01/2004 15:25

Also write to your children when they get to 18. if they tried to put you in prison for that there would be the biggest outcry in the world. I don't think they'd dare.

Bozza · 21/01/2004 15:34

bunglie I can't believe you have been left with so few rights. Its like every way you turn the route is blocked. Please do as Aloha says and contact that solicitor - you will, of course, have complete confidentiality.

aloha · 21/01/2004 15:53

It just reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials, and Roy Meadows reminds me of psychological Dr Mengele.

eddm · 21/01/2004 16:11

And the secretive family courts system is wide-open to miscarriages of justice, precisedly because parents are silenced. I can see the argument for privacy in family cases but think is outweighed by the cruelty of forbidding women like Bunglie from seeking help. Let's hope the review of these cases considers this issue too.

twiglett · 21/01/2004 16:55

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SofiaAmes · 21/01/2004 17:18

Bunglie, if nothing else, do it for your children. They need to know that their mother is not the evil person that the social services have made you out to be. That is a great burden for an 18 year old to have to take on and live with. I'm amazed that talking with a physciatrist was considered breaking the law. How awfull for you not to even be able to seek professional help. What were these people thinking. If they really believed you were guilty, wouldn't they have wanted you to get help for your sickness? I agree that at this stage it would be pretty surprising if you were punished for communicating with a solicitor. Please do it for yourself and most of all for your children.

aloha · 21/01/2004 17:21

Eddm -hear hear - a very good point.

Bunglie - any discussion you have with a solicitor would be totally confidential. Please do call - emphasise the secretary that it is a personal and delicate matter concerning children that will be enough - if you ask for that particular solicitor I think they will understand anyway. He's no fan of Meadows - he defended Angela Cannings precisely by discrediting Meadows.
I feel priveleged to hear your story Bunglie.

Bunglie · 21/01/2004 20:23

I have found out who my MP is and sent him an email asking him to contact me and giving brief details of why- I shall let you know if he replies. With regard to the solicitor I shall try telephoning Bill Bache to see if he can put me in the right direction. Thankyou Aloha for the details.
Thank you all so very much, without your positive feedback I would not have had the courage to do anything. I shall keep you posted
Love Bunglie XX

suzywong · 21/01/2004 20:31

bunglie, I second Aloha and I think all of us who have read your story. It is with a very heavy heart that I read of your shockingly inhuman treatment and I hope with all my heart that you can achieve some compenstation. You are a very brave person.

(Aloha I have a point to raise and am emailing you)

aloha · 21/01/2004 22:02

Good luck to you Bunglie. You are a brave woman and you deserve justice.

WideWebWitch · 21/01/2004 22:17

This is even more awful than it first appeared bunglie, if you weren't allowed to discuss it with anyone. How awful - I'm so, so sorry. I really hope this solicitor can help. Please let us know if there's anything we can do.

Clarinet60 · 21/01/2004 22:27

Bossykate - yes.

Bunglie - good luck, and I'm so sorry about what has happened. It's awful.

tamum · 21/01/2004 22:27

I have only just read this thread. Bunglie, my thoughts are with you, truly. You are a brave woman and a wonderful mother.
xxx

jmg · 21/01/2004 22:37

THe thing I find hard to understand is that usually the british justice system tries very had to take account of mental illness in making its judgements. So even if someone were to be guilty of having Munchausens or Munchausen-by proxy then surely penalising the family is not and never would be the right answer.

I think also that we should not forget that it is the whole family who have suffered. I too have wept at some of the stories here and in the press about the loss that the parents feel they have suffered. However, the children have also suffered tremendously. On one level they have lost the benefit of being brought up by their own loving parents. On a worse level they may have been told that their parents (mother) has committed a terrible crime. What a burden to carry with you as a child.

IMO the family courts have been playing a very dangerous game. True justice in many ways depends upon transparency in decision making. That is to say that I could find out what judgements a particular court has made and understand the reasons for them. Under the guise of protecting child identity I can not do this in many of the cases heard by the family court. The family court is not a jury system but just one judge acting as supreme ruler. They have I believe opted for the easy option in too many of these cases - it is heinious to think that mothers in the depth of despair over the loss or illness of a much loved child have had to suffer imprisonment or in many cases having been cleared of a criminal act have then suffered the withdrawal from the family of their dearly loved children.

What fellow mumsnetters shall we do? How do we get Patricia Hodge to recognise that these families deserve their children back. Those that can, for some like Bunglie their children have grown up and they have lost their chance...

Levanna · 21/01/2004 22:39

Hi Bunglie, SBS is shaken baby syndrome. I know this isn't what you were accused of, but like I said, Rioche has experience with falsely accused parents, and has helped in advising them about how to clear their names. That's also why I was thinking a family law solicitor might be of use, I understand why at this stage you wouldn't seek to have your children (or daughter at least) removed from adoptive care. The restrictions on who you can talk to and about what are awful. I experienced a little of this as I had access to the review minutes from the case that someone close to me was involved in, and I was unable to disclose them to my solicitor (Though, just to make clear, the solicitors directly involved were allowed access to the case notes.) This case actually took part in another country (though not far from here) but we found the 'freedom of information act' for that country very useful to implement when information wasn't forthcoming, such as medical records and social services letters and records. I'm sure it would be something worth checking with a solicitor here. I think given the massive media coverage of the various hideous 'mistakes' that man has made, you wont have a problem finding a good solicitor willing to advise you about your rights. As they say, forewarned is forearmed, and I hope a good solicitor will help you to feel more empowered. Even though I've been closely involved in something similar, I still find it all very nearly beyond comprehension, as a mother, to hear of some of my worst fears being carried out on a fellow mother.
xx

aloha · 21/01/2004 22:41

JMG - how about sending this thread to Harriet Harman?

jmg · 21/01/2004 22:43

ALhoa - yes I think that would be a good idea. However maybe we should wait until we have more disussion on the thread first. Shall we take it in turns to make sure it keeps coming to the top...

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