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Sir Roy Meadow to face inquiry

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musica · 18/12/2003 14:56

Here's the story

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Beetroot · 27/02/2004 15:16

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Bunglie · 27/02/2004 15:18

Just got this email from my MP,

You will have head that Margaret Hodge MP, the Minister for Children Young People and Families, made a statement to the House of Commons on Monday about the implications of the Court of Appeal's judgement in the appeal against the conviction Angela Cannings. This has direct bearing on your case and so I felt it appropriate to wait until that statement has been made before meeting Margaret and asking about your individual circumstances.
I would gladly send you a copy of the statement if you would like but I will attempt to summarise it.
In essence the minister "gave a steer" to local authorities on how to proceed, whilst leaving it to the courts to deal with individual cases.
The Attorney General announced last month that he would consider 258 past convictions for the murder, manslaughter or infanticide of children under two, in order to ascertain whether the conviction is unsafe. In these cases social services departments will stand ready if cases are reviewed and go to appeal.
Within the next four weeks social services departments have also been asked to review current cases where care proceedings have commenced, to consider whether the Cannings case has implications.
Thirdly, within the next 12 weeks social services should identify those cases where a care order was made in the past, and where the making of the care order depended exclusively, or almost exclusively, on a serious disagreement between medical experts about the cause of harm. If that is so they should consider if there are now doubts about the reliability of the expert advice and, if in the best interests of the child, consider whether to apply to the court for the care order to be discharged. This will be a few hundred cases and it will be up to the family court judge to decide.
Where these last set of cases has then resulted in an adoption, as in your case, there are particular difficulties. I think you would agree with the Minister when she said "after adoption has taken place there are, of course, the interests of the child and the adoptive parents to consider, as well as those of the birth parents. The whole basis of adoption is that it ensures permanence and finality to all parties." She goes on to say that it would be up to each case to be judged but that only in most exceptional circumstances that courts will put aside an adoption order.
She says "if birth parents are worried they should take their own legal advice....every local authority is required to have an adoption support adviser. This may be an appropriate first point of contact."
Having spoken to Margaret's office about your case I can confirm that if you are eligible for legal aid then it would apply in these circumstances if you require legal advice and want to apply for a review of your case, including the judges order that you should not discuss the case with anyone. But in the first instance you may want to talk to ** (where I live) adoption support adviser. However if you want me to first proceed with a meeting with the minister to confirm and clarify any points please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely
Jim

I have not fully taken all of this in,put thought I would post it while I have time, anyone translate this into English.
I am getting there with the txt mssg stuff, just sent one to myself !

Beetroot · 27/02/2004 15:23

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Janh · 27/02/2004 15:28

Bunglie, a lot of it doesn't apply to your circs anyway. This bit does:

and the argument is valid as far as it goes but I think there should be an option to review the case without putting aside the adoption order, so that the children (and APs) can know what really happened and feel confident about contacting the birth mother once the child reaches 18, if not before. I realise that this will require a huge amount of empathy and self-confidence from the APs but the children need to know.

What did you text to yourself?

Twinkie · 27/02/2004 15:29

I cannot believe this - I have never cried so much at my desk - my boss came back from a month away today and thinks that I am really mad!!

Sorry if this sounds wrong and I know you are not a charity case but if you want to do something really great with your son I would really love to be able to contribute in some way - even if it is financially. (Don't say no cause you are proud - you would be doing a favour to me more then you. XXX)

As for your stepmonster - you don't say anything to your son that he does not ask for in respect of her part in things - if he says 'well who spoke to Social Services - just warn him that he will be surprised of the answer and it may affect his relationship with a close family member if you told him - that way you sound nice and compassionate and like you give a shit about Stepmonster - but you know he will still want to know - that way you can say that he asked and you were never lying - I am sure he will ask - he will want to know everything.

God Honey for him to reply by text so quickly really must mean that he has been waiting for this moment for so long - I am sitting here crying and hugging myself.

I am so so so so happy for you. ()

Janh · 27/02/2004 15:29

Oh - and your MP sounds as if he is very much up to speed and on your side!

Agree, beety - a hell of a day!

Beetroot · 27/02/2004 15:30

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Janh · 27/02/2004 15:32

PS I love "having spoken to Margaret's office" - I have a friend who works on a national daily paper and she talked at Christmas about all the desks going out for their parties - maybe the offices went too!

Twinkie · 27/02/2004 15:33

Postsue - sorry missed your message - got carried away with Bunglies - does what she is saying give you hope - I do so hope so - can we write to someone for you? Help you along too - even if it is just words of support - please if you need us keep posting!!

postsue · 27/02/2004 15:53

HI again, thanx for the messages of support.

just trying to think how to word things as it is nearly 13th anniversary which falls day before my daughters birthday it's quite raw again at the moment.

The only comfort i have is that i do have my girls but that brings diffrent struggles and issues up for me as well. I have a criminal conviction and an unjust diagnosis of MSbP effectively ruling my life, reflecting on my ability to be a "good parent"

I am so full of hurt and pain it is hard at the moment to work out what i am thinking and feeling let alone trying to write it out and explain. The guilt, humiliation and self doubt is hard to live with, always thinking that i have to justify and explain everything and because i hate myself i feel everyone else would think that way too.

It looks all mixed up at the moment all waiting to burst out. 13 years of shame, hurt, anger, frustration, do i need to go on. there was no one around till now, i've only just started to try to find people like me for support and for me to help others through it as well.

Twinkie · 27/02/2004 15:56

Honey - will you be able to do as Bunglie is doign and get your case reviewed??

postsue · 27/02/2004 15:58

going off for couple of hours but will be back in evening.

Trying to sort my brain out

postsue · 27/02/2004 16:00

hopefully my case will be reviewed.

got my MP on side, he's a mate, he wrote to Harman 2 weeks ago but not heard back yet

Janh · 27/02/2004 16:06

Surely your case must be reviewed? Keep us informed, please, postsue.

Bunglie · 27/02/2004 16:35

Am sending txt to ds. Will post again tomorrow but must go to Doctors now, late for appt!!!!

Postsue, My Heart is really with you, please keep posting and let this wonderful bunch support you how they have supported me. A Month ago I would never have dreamed I could have had a day like today. YOUR DAY WILL COME TO.

My text to my self was "Does this bloody thing work?"

Beetroot · 27/02/2004 16:48

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sis · 27/02/2004 19:20

Bunglie, that is brilliant, I hope you meet up with your son soon and help him understand what has happened and why. I'm so pleased for you and your son - hopefully, your daughter will find out the full story when she is 18 too.

eddm · 27/02/2004 19:33

Oh Bunglie, I am sooooooooo excited for you. I hope all your wishes come true! Many many many hugs.

stace · 27/02/2004 19:46

Bunglie, what a fantastic day, you deserve it all, keep us all upto date and meet up with your son soon. Pub sounds comfortable for an 18 year old maybe ask him if he'd rather the pub or posh nosh. It does sound like the stepmonster may have already said something to him and inadvertently pushed him your way, hip hip hoorah for you.

Janh · 27/02/2004 20:05

btw, Bunglie - re this bit of your loooong post today:

"He asked who the adoption agency was and I told him and it turns out that they do not have a very good reputation in the world of adoption. He was surprised at the age of the ap's and could not work out how thay had been allowed to adopt seeing as they are now in their 50's. That had never crossed my mind before."

You said in an earlier post that AM(?) is a director (?) of the agency? I think that speaks for itself.

Beetroot · 27/02/2004 20:31

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inocenteyes · 29/02/2004 13:24

hi ppl im postsues daughter i jst wanted to see what this bloody thing was like as my mum is on it 24/7 gid she annoys me but i luve her

Janh · 29/02/2004 13:31

Hi, inocenteyes! Lovely to hear from you - your mum sounds like a great person.

We've started 2 other threads now because this one is so long - first is here and the latest (without the Sir) is here .

The list is filling up with Roy Meadow threads. Hope his ears are burning.

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