Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

I wouldn't put too much trust into the daily mail quote either

It amazes me nowadays how unfeeling and uncommunicative most of the general public have become.
If i was on a bus at 3am i would give 20p away, its not a lot of money and i as a person would not like to see a woman or a man for that matter walking the streets at 3am.
I also think the bus driver was a jobsworth-it was 20 ffs!!!

I do whatever i can to help the public when i can, small things like helping someone with their pram, opening a door, giving away my last few pence when someone has been in need and yesterday i saved a small bird from being ran over by a cyclist.
Common curtisy goes a long way, this woman was shown none

I agree with SQ's posts earlier. Of course it was the rapist's fault that she was raped. It's still horrible that no one would lend her 20p at that time of night. Even if nothing had happened to her it was still an awful situation to be left in.

Jellyboats -

Yes, they have cameras trained on them all the time, at least my dh does.
He has twice helped in similar situations. First time he was given a verbal warning, Second time a written warning - lasts 12 months, 1 more transgression means he would be fired. He has been at his firm for 14 years. It is a big company, partly council owned. They have fired other more longstanding drivers for less, the company looks for any excuse as they can then take on staff with newer less costly contracts re sick pay pensions etc.
So, if my Dh were to give even 5p from his pocket, the cameras WOULD pick it up and he would be dismissed. Currently he has 10 months to go on his current written warning. He has 2 kids to support and jobs are few and feels he has no option but to keep his job.
I am no apologist for bus drivers (in fact, i am separating from mine, but not cos he is a bus driver!) but this one MAY have been in the same position.
Of course, he may just have been a jobsworth wanker, with less punitive company rules, who just couldn't be arsed.
No doubt it will all come out in due course.

She prob thought she had enough bus fare, and could easily have lost a small coin anyway (not her fault). Her mum was a bit scared to drive into town (not her fault). The driver couldn't 'reduce' the fare / wouldn't wait etc (need to know drivers company rules before I can comment on this), the passengers didn't lend her the money (not their fault but pretty sad no one did).
The rapist CHOSE to rape and beat her and leave her half dead. HIS FAULT.

'As for the driver or the passengers why should they have given her the money? She's an adult and so should have ensured she had sufficient money for the bus not expect to be bailed out by total strangers.'

and thats why things are going downhill in this country
I have no problem helping total strangers. If we all did (and many people do) it would be a nicer plce.

so whilst everyone is blaming the bus driver and passengers who are innocent of any crime, nothing is done about teaching women to be safe at night,

I don't think anyone is blaming the bus driver and passengers for the girl being raped - just blaming them for not being kind enough to not leave her on the street by herself at night for the sake of 20p.

Be careful what you say about 'teaching women to be safe' as well. You'll be accused of victim blaming.

So what do we teach young girls then

She's old enough to go out on the piss, she's old enough to make sure she's got enough money to get home.

I am not blaming the victim, why would I.
but we do have to teach young people to stay safe, I have to do it with my son, sadly their are some very nasty people in the world.

I remember once when I had a new job and got on the bus. I had bought a pass from the station and checked with the clerk about where I could use it and everything.

the bus driver was really horrible to me when I stayed on the bus to my destination. I was 18 and I paid the difference but it wasn't really my fault as I had checked that the pass would cover the destination but it may have been to do with it going out of what was then London Transport.

also was the girl necessarily drunk. do we know that?

No-one is directly blaming what happened to the woman on the passengers & bus driver but they do play a small part in what happened that night as if she had that 20p it would not have happened.
The rapist did it, he is to blame but the situation shows how Great Britain isn't so great anymore-not many people respect eachother or have any sympathy for another unknown human and from some responses i see on here i can see, as a country we are going downhill.
Im only 28 but things have changed a lot since the 80's & 90's, people have lost simple human decency and manners and im glad i haven't been bought up like it!
So what if she was drunk??-That does not give anyone the right to rape and it doesn't make her deserve it either!
The woman made a wrong decision getting a bus at 3am but haven't we all made decisions that aren't the best?, it doesn't make what happened her fault and 20p is easy to lose

"people have lost simple human decency and manners"

Nonsense.

agree the indignant hyperbole and handwringing is ott
what next country gorn to dogs

There are two separate issue here:

1. The rape - where there is no-one to blame but the rapist :(

and

1. The sort of the society where neither the bus-driver nor the passengers have the compassion with which to help someone in distress. Doesn't matter that she was female - it does matter that she was in need of help.

I would - and have - helped in similar circumstances. No, that's not quite true - I've helped in much "better" circumstances (sometimes as simple as someone short of 1p in front of me at the check-out).

I'm sure that on occasions I have been conned into helping "undeserving" causes, but t reflects on your humanity if you are not prepared to help others in distress.

Oh, I think the passengers who refused to spare 20p and the driver ARE clearly to blame. They are to blame for putting a fellow human being at risk for the sake of 20 flipping pence.

rubbish
the rapist used extreme violence he,and he alone is to blame

2shoes, I agree with you but some others will argue that there is no way to stay safe from a rapist so there is no point in teaching your children anything about 'staying safe' because then, if they do get attacked, they will blame themselves hence you are victim blaming.

rubbish yourself. You don't throw someone off the last bus of the night, to walk alone, for 20p. She was clearly being placed in danger.

edam, how is that any different to the arguments that women have a duty to keep themselves safe by not getting drunk, not wearing short skirts, not being out alone after dark?

I was so chuffed at how the good old community spirit had come to the surface for the jubilee....

When we want to look a 'somebody' in our local area,and let everyone see just how much we do for our local community,we're all there waving our flags and patting ourselves on our backs. Wouldn't want to let the side down.Wouldn't want to let people think we don't care.

Now I sit back and think that actually,take a lot of us outside our comfort zone,and see just how easy it is to turn the other cheek. If there's showing off to the neighbours to be done,we're there like a shot. But if there's a problem,it's someone else's problem.

I like to think I'd have given the woman 20p.Ask those people on the bus the same thing and with the benefit of hindsight (just as we're speaking with) I truly don't think the majority would have looked the other way.

Instead of laying blame on the other passengers and the driver (I'm sure many are doing that for themselves),lets learn from this.Let's all look at our own uncomfortable truths.Lets look at the times we may have made a difference and perhaps didn't because we were scared,or thought the other person had got themselves into the situation and should get themselves out.If we can truly examine ourselves and say there is definitely no way we've ever not prevented a situation by our own inaction or action,then perhaps we can judge.

If not,lets here and now resolve never to turn a blind eye in future when faced with someone in need,if we can do something so simple to make a difference.

What the people did on the bus wrong. What the rapist did was evil.

bumbleymummy that is just stupid, but then I think you agree with me.

Of course it's different. The passengers and driver had a choice. They could keep someone safe for the princely amount of 20p, or they could chuck someone out into the dark knowing the last bus had gone.

The rapist raped. The passengers and driver put someone at risk of being harmed - they knew full well it was dangerous. Not just because of rape but other violent crimes.

Yes, I do 2 shoes :)