We Believe You - continued

[Frontpaw]

The old thread was full. It was the first of a few I think.

I believe her.

I believe her

Just tweeted

I believe her

I believe her

I believe her

I believe you

I had talked to my 14 yr old DS about the case and some aspects of it, and his response was that the man was 'thick because anyone should be able to go out and get a bit drunk and not have to worry about getting raped.'
Proud that at 14 he has far more integrity than Ched Evans..

My DS believes her x

I believe her

Bloody fantastic post apocalypse. I don't remember ever getting this worked up about a "celeb headline".

I'm spewing molten rage all over the shop but i'm struggling to put it into words. I'm finding it really difficult to focus through the anger.

I will NOT quieten down though. I know people are saying this culture will never change but that doesn't mean we stop fighting.

Yes we need to get the message out there to young women not to drink so excessively that they put themselves at risk of harm and to have more respect for themselves than to want to sleep with a "celeb". That's a given.

But I will NOT accept that a vulnerable girl is "fair game" because she made the mistake of getting too drunk to make a sensible decision.

I believe her.

Another voice to add to the list

I believe her .

Yes should not be the automatic answer in your head when shagging someone who is so pissed they can't say no .

Idiot and a rapist Ched .

I believe her

I believe her. And I thank her and admire her courage in prosecuting. To do that and then go through this shit. She's great. You're great. Chin up.

I wanted to say something about the comments on FB and from that Lib Dem about who would say no, or she should have been grateful. It seems to me that there is a problem about sex and sexuality for some people. Sex should be about mutual enjoyment and connection, not having sex because the person is famous or 'so' gorgeous that you are 'lucky' to have the chance. Is this partly the problem with these rapists? They assume consent because they can't believe that a woman wouldn't want to be penetrated by a famous person. Which is sick and wrong.
Sorry, I've ranted a bit, but I was trying to unpick why another woman would support a convicted rapist by saying his victim should be grateful and this is the best I've come up with.

a drunken young woman is still a living being, she has not relinquished her humanity when she passed from sobriety to drunkeness. She is more than an object. Even if she has passed out and feels nothing to treat her like an object there for your gratification and to do this whilst she is being observed and filmed by others is an ugly thing to do.

I really cannot understand women who don't see this. I really really don't understand his girlfriend. Does any woman believe that there are times when she ceases being a full person and becomes just an empty shell, a body lying there to be used for a bit of a lark, a bit of grunting and thrusting?Is there any woman at all who would say under those circumstances, if I had been too drunk to say anything, yes it would have been alright with me?

@ZZZenAgain

we have a few continuation threads going, can we blend them and have the one thread linked to discussions of the day, so people know where to find the new thread?

Hi there,

Unfortunately, we can't blend threads but we have now made this one the discussion of the day.

Best wishes
MNHQ

I believe her.

I believe her

Just want to add my voice: I believe her.

I hope someone shows her these threads so she can see that men and women alike support her.

I believe her. Cannot believe what she's been subjected to! It's disgusting. Football has to change it's misogynist laddish culture. I don't think there is another sport where 'sportsmen' and their players are allowed so much license to behave badly whilst raking in hefty salaries. Never win anything important any bloody how.

Dementedma, there isn't alot to understand. A jury of his peers who have heard and seen all the evidence found Ched Evans guilty of rape. The girl in this case WAS raped, the police believed it, a jury believed it and we all believe it.

A woman is allowed to get falling down drunk she is allowed to get into a cab with a strange man, it does not follow that that strange man or his friends are allowed to put their dicks in her without her say so.

I believe her

I'm glad there is a continuation thread - how can we get mumsnet to link to this rather than the full one?

It's time that clubs discipline anyone present when something like this happened. No person who stands by and does nothing to stop this is innocent, they all bring their club into disrepute.

And I should add that if she was that drunk no decent man would have sex with her even if she begged them. It used to be called 'taking advantage' and it's a shameful way to behave.