We Believe You - continued

[Frontpaw]

The old thread was full. It was the first of a few I think.

Totally agree. I'm sick and tired of people concealing their wish to control women in this way and limit our rights in this manner.

Stupid morality police mentality punishing women for stepping out of line. If women get drunk they can be punished by rape. Women are in a constant state of consent to sex unless they protest loudly enough. Rape only happens if it's a stranger with an knife in an alleyway who leaves you for dead after you almost allowed yourself to be killed to protect your precious chastity. If you are in the same room as a man, or if you're drunk, well, what do you expect?

Sick of it all. SICK OF IT ALL. THE ONLY COMMON DENOMINATOR BETWEEN ALL WOMEN WHO ARE RAPED IS THAT THEY ARE IN THE PRESENCE OF A RAPIST.

AND IT'S NOT DOWN TO SOME HALF WITTED LOW LIFE TO PUNISH WOMEN WHO DRINK TOO MUCH WITH RAPE.

Why the hell do women go along with this?

Have emailed the lib dems asking for action to indicate they don't welcome rape apologists. We shall see.

I believe her and I have just emailed the lib dems about Liam Elvish too. Thanks to the poster who put the link up.

Give kushti a chance. I think she is trying to combat two societal evils at once.

Kushti the subject of rape is a very sensitive one and brings out people's defences. The history of people "punishing" women for being at a place, at a time, in a state of mind that suited the perpetrator and the woman getting blamed for it by society, leaves nerves raw.

There is an issue with society trying to make us believe that by default women want sexualised objects in them until she says the contrary and sometimes despite her saying the contrary.

There is an issue with binge drinking in the UK.

But trying to use a rape case to show the issue of binge drinking is highlighting that the victim was in a suitable position for the perpetrator to take advantage. That is the nonsense society has been trying to get us to swallow for hundreds of years. Victims are always in a suitable position for the perpetrator to take advantage (or at least have a shot at it).

When all the teens end up in hospital with liver cirrhosis, then you have a case for binge drinking. This one isn't one of them.

And I definitely do not want this girl growing up being afraid of the dark and of men. There are good people out there, binge drinking or not!

I believe her.

I believe her.

I believe her.

I am wondering how many of these people who are supporting a convicted rapist have daughters or sisters? Would they support a rapist who was convicted of raping their daughter or sister.

I understand exactly where you're coming from kushti I don't think anyone on here thinks drinking yourself into unconsciousness is a good thing at all.

But it doesn't negate the crime. Agree completely with those comparing it to mugging. Yes people would say how silly it was to walk down a dark alley at night and make conversation with a stranger. but no one would say you wanted him to mug you.

The point is you shouldn't be vulnerable to rape if you're drunk. You should be able to drink far too much, be unable to stand, lose all your sensibilities and not expect to be "fair game".

Same as you should be able to walk down a dark alley at night without bring mugged.

Look at all the campaigning going on at the moment about knife crime. No one is saying that if you live in a "rough" area that you should expect to be stabbed. Everyone is, quite rightly, saying you should be able to live your life without the fear of bring stabbed. Imagine the uproar if anyone started saying it was an "acceptable risk".

This morning's tweet (i'm still getting used to it so any pointers more than welcome!)
@MyDogShitsShoes nope not shutting up about this. Drinking to excess = naive and vulnerable NOT "up for it". #IBelieveHer

I believe you.

My response to those women who have libelled and slandered that brave girl-

"There's a special place in Hell for women who do not support other women"

                        <span class="line-through"> Madeleine Allbright </span>

I have bombarded the LibDems with protest emails too, regarding MrEvil-ish. I urge everybody to do the same.

Agree completely with those comparing it to mugging.

I don't. This is a serious crime against the person, not against property. People don't tend to get mugged in their own homes by people they know, yet that's where the majority of rapes happen. People can secure their possessions or leave stuff they don't want taken from them if they get mugged at home, but we can't detach our vaginas and leave them at home, or secure them in any other way.

I also want to add my support on Twitter. How many people have now added their support here? On Twitter people are saying 180 people on Mumsnet beileve you, but there has to be far more than that now?

MNHQ - do you have a nifty tech way of keeping track of numbers?

I will also be using the link I noticed above to write to the LibDems.

I've contacted the Lib Dems too. I can't believe Liam Elvish's comments, what a bastard.

1468 people 'like' the 'We Believe You' page on FB. Many people who have posted on here say they do not have FB so it's more than 1468 people who support her.

Have emailed the LibDems about Liam Elvish with the suggestion that he should have his membership cancelled. Elvish should join the BNP - they have a similar attitude to rape.

To add to Apocalypse's post, mugging also doesn't entail worrying visits to the clinic, enduring tests, internal exams and general humiliation, followed by weeks of waiting to see if you have contracted an STD.

I believe her, and I hope she realizes how brave she is.

If you google, there's a lot of articles regarding footballers (allegedly) sexually assaulting young women, another one within the last week. It's disgraceful behaviour from men who are supposed to be role models for children. Footballers are people who (most of) our children admire and respect.
The UK seems to have developed a very sexualised attitude which is very wrong. Women are not seen as equals, but as a toy to be discarded once the 'fun' is over. When I walk down my high street I can see images if half naked women, I see posters advertising free lap-dances and it's disgusting. How are parents going to raise responsible and respectful men if their children see images like this?

I don't mean the severity of the crime at all.

Pick any crime. It's about trying to find a way to explain to these people why it's NEVER acceptable to say a victim was asking for a crime to be commited to/on them.

People should be able to leave their houses unlocked without someone taking their things, they should be able to walk down a dark alley, they should be able to get into a taxi with a stranger.

No one should ever "expect" to be a victim of crime. Full stop.

I think i'm just finding it very difficult to put into words because i don't understand why anyone needs it explained to them. Why anyone would defend a rapist is just so mindboggling I don't know where to start.

Savannah, it's the responsibility of the man to ensure that the woman consents also. In cases where the man has pretended that he's the woman's husband in order to have sex with her, the man has been found guilty of rape even though the woman consented. If a woman is unable to consent then it's rape. What would it be if the woman was unconscious and he had sex with her? It would be rape.

I have now written to the LibDems about Liam Elvish's comments. You can too at Contact LibDems. Now going to add my voice to Twitter.

I believe you.

I've emailed the Lib Dems too.

Savannah - what if a girl is on her phone, walks in front of a car and is knocked unconscious. Would it then be OK for a man she'd just met in a pub to have sex with her? After all, it's her own fault for not paying attention to the road.