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We Believe You - continued

419 replies

Frontpaw · 01/05/2012 16:58

The old thread was full. It was the first of a few I think.

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NovackNGood · 07/05/2012 01:24

This thread has become rather emotive to say the least and lacking balance in many ways.

Lacking balance was fine as it started out as a I believe you so that the victim could feel encouraged.

Saying I believe without having sat through or perhaps even seen the reporting of evidence is being supportive which is a good enough nature to have but it is only being empathetic.

I hope if you all actually were called to jury service you would sit and listen to all the evidence and guidance given from the judge rather than sit solely with an I believe state. I

There is still the prospect of an appeal in this case so it is by no means done and dusted so whilst some may celebrate the victory for it is not yet over.

Some posts on here have posted cuttings of evidence that support the prosecution case no doubt to support their I believe, belief so i only post the following to add a little bit of balance.

Some newspapers did report that there was no evidence of alcohol during testing in the victims system when she was tested after her allegation but there was evidence of cannabis and cocaine use. She also was reported as saying she usually drinks a lot more than on that night without being drunk. Now I and you can only ever take this at the word of reporters and from the agenda their newspapers cover as unfortunately full transcripts of court proceedings in the UK are not published therefore not allowing the public to read and weigh the evidence as portrayed to the jury.

We should perhaps all avoid taking sides before the final outcome of a trial is complete and that includes the appeal.

Rape cases like this are sensational but the unfortunate reality is far more rapes happen to woman by their spouses/boyfriends, people who are already close and well known to them and these cases are far more difficult to convict and for woman to guard against.

AbigailAdams · 07/05/2012 07:18

This thread isn't supposed to be "balanced". It is supposed to be emotive support for the victim. She was raped, her rapist was convicted, which is incredibly rare and she is being villified. There is nothing wrong with being emotive about that.

As Basil said, if you and FormSquare, NovackNGood, have a problem with the conviction, take it elsewhere.

NorfolkNChance · 07/05/2012 08:35

Thanks Puffin for the quote from the old thread.

Have MNHQ heard anything back from the PFA yet?

PoorAudreyHorseface · 07/05/2012 08:54

Novack - on what grounds could Ched Evans appeal?

pinkpyjamas · 07/05/2012 08:59

The LibDems appear to feel they are off the hook for their appalling response to Liam Elvish's comments, because he failed so badly and achieved so very few votes in the election.
I still think they should be made to respond properly, and prove they take a firm stance on the issue, but it seems to be par for the course - bunch of wishy washy apologists!

As for a retrial for Ched Evans - on what grounds?
I'm fairly certain that "Sheffield United aren't playing very well, so could we please have him back" won't be enough.

He deserves the same rights as every other convicted rapist, of course, and I sincerely hope due process is firmly adhered to, although it won't make any difference to the opinons of those blinded by footballer worship.

geekette · 07/05/2012 09:13

We should perhaps all avoid taking sides before the final outcome of a trial is complete and that includes the appeal.

The people who abused and continue to abuse her on social media should have thought of that first.
This thread isn't for balance. it is reactionary. it is for support. Naming and shaming her was the breaking point and that should NEVER have happened. The balance was upset right there.

I will not standby and watch a convicted rapist's victim be socially punished just because he is appealing the judgement.

I hope if you all actually were called to jury service you would sit and listen to all the evidence and guidance given from the judge rather than sit solely with an I believe state.

I know I would but would you? Would football fans go in without their rape myth preconceptions and wannabe wag bias? It is great to fight for an ideal but we currently do not live in a utopia.

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 07/05/2012 11:22

"I hope if you all actually were called to jury service you would sit and listen to all the evidence and guidance given from the judge rather than sit solely with an I believe state."

Why are you patronising everyone who supports the woman Ched Evans raped?

Did you not see what I posted?

Over 90% of men accused of rape, walk free even though most of them did it.

The majority of rapists are never even accused, let alone convicted.

You don't need to worry about intelligent women on Mumsnet being able to use critical thinking and giving men a fair hearing.

You need to worry about the majority of jurors who bend over backwards to let rapists walk free. And you need to worry about the knuckle draggers who don't believe rape victims even when they do manage to get a conviction.

You also need to respect that this is a support thread for a rape victim and for rape victims in general and restrain yourself from talking down to women who are supporting a rape victim by implying that we would be irresponsible jurors because we don't subscribe to the usual rape myths. And you need to respect that this is a support thread.

MammaBrussels · 07/05/2012 19:49

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SweetTheSting · 08/05/2012 09:36

Thank you for doing the letter MNHQ

margerykemp · 08/05/2012 09:44

Of course they condone rape, just like they are pro porn, pro prostitution and pro lap dancing. The lib dems hate women even more than the Tories.

geekette · 08/05/2012 11:21

euh??? porn, prostitution and lap dancing are potentially things which a woman (or man) can choose to do. Rape is definitely something which is never the victim's choice.

Pretty far fetched to call them women haters by lumping all those together. And dragging that into a support thread is a bit Hmm

Doing my best to get the message back into the thread: I believe her.

That is the message. Not that we hate the libdems or any other party... In the spirit of that message, we are trying to get people to change or at least think. Not go for political propaganda. Confused

MammaBrussels · 08/05/2012 19:28

If you haven't already 'liked' the Facebook page would you PLEASE do so here. Really need to keep momentum up on this. Thank you Thanks Thanks Thanks

NovackNGood · 08/05/2012 21:57

Was any action been taken against Sky News for naming the victim?

MammaBrussels · 09/05/2012 06:50

I don't think the police are looking in to this any further. They showed a tweet with the victim's name on it rather than naming her in, say, a news bulletin. Someone dropped a bollock (to use on of DH's favourite phrases) but I doubt any further action will be taken.

surfsister · 09/05/2012 15:51

I had a reply saying he didn't speak for the party and he apologised. but I have no idea to who and where he apologised!

surfsister · 09/05/2012 15:52

it said on the news that the name could be read if somebody was a very fast reader so it must have been on there somewhere! shocking. This just show the medias view of women.

ErnesttheBavarian · 09/05/2012 16:28

Just read there have been more arrests for twitter naming, inc same person being arrested twice, and police anticipate yet more arrests. Can these people. It get into their heads they can't do this? Really hope they are severely punished. Shows total contempt both of the victim of course but for the law and society as a whole. :(

NovackNGood · 09/05/2012 18:13

People think that 'they have free speech' and forget yes you do, and we have contempt of court, libel laws and plenty of other legislation to protect us from their hate speech too.

As stupid as rioters last summer.

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