How the name of heaven can anyone support the Tories?

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I just don't get it. Unless you are a heartless multimillionaire - then it makes total sense of course.

I have to turn off Radio 4 when I hear Hague?Gove et al dribbling out their blatant lies/spin/venom especially early in the morning. How on earth can ANYONE not see them for what they are?

I wonder what private sector business would
be able to operate 10 - 4

When I worked it the council we had a library and juice bar and a breakfast bar, tv lounge

Also Facebook, eBay and twitter were not blocked nor you tube well I sure you can imagine what people were doing also their was hot desk ing so the supervisors never knew where the staff were at any one time I can't tell you how many times people didn't come in till lunch but told the boss they were down stairs or in a building down the road because they were late and who could check

People shuffling paper to be honest even my own job their I wouldn't have really be able to justify It I left because I was bored I used to call my oh from the juice bar because I was stressed because their was no work and I hated it I like being busy I left in the end.

They had a team of 8 gypsy and traveller workers at any one time there's not more than a 700 gypsy families in the council

They had a full time after school co ordinator she finished work at 4 well most after school clubs finish at 6 and start at 3 she was on 34k per rota

She spent most of her time on Asos.com

To be honest the teachers I am with but they need to stop peddling the lie they slavishly work trough all their holidays and are up all night marking every night we have 3 teachers in my family and thats not the case but he civil servants and the council are under worked and over paid half the people can't even really explain what their job is.

Que?

Yep. The simple mathematics that led us into this mess. The banks mathematics. Those same folk that worked at the banks who get lovely pay offs and pensions for doing a really bad job - screwing the WORLD economies. did Labour screw up the world? I think not.

Even loyal henchman Pickles is warning Cameron and Osbourne about 40,000 families facing homelessness as a direct result of their benefits policies. See the leak in tomorrow's Observer.

Yet ANOTHER Tory u turn ahead perhaps? They do not know what they are doing.

'the leak in tomorrow's Observer'

Oooh, I can't wait.
Will that be before or after the article on the unauthorised circumcision of Amazon jungle dwellers?

There was a very funnily ironic thread on another forum the other week.
A woman there was moaning about being made redundant from her public sector job.

Between 9 and 5 on that day ( which was a typical day for her, BTW) she made no less than 23 posts, some of them quite long.

Yes, I can't work out why they let anyone at work fuck about on the internet.
It's outrageous.

I've no problem with folk going on tinternet at work but if you can spend hours a day on it, you are underworked.

Erm just read it moondog before you sound like even more of a moron.

Well, Isan put my hand on my heart and say quite honestly that I have never fucked about on the Interent at work.
Ever. Wouldn't dream of it.

Or watch the news unless you disagree with the reporting on there too unless it spouts free Market economy rubbish.

Oh sorry. Did I say free Market economy? That doesn't allow government intervention into failed and unprofessional banks that try ro hold our economy to ransom,

Ascroft. there's a word. And without a title

Scoungers, explain

Actually yes, Labour has its part in the financial crisis in that it failed to rein in the banks, and in particular, allowed the retail banks to be combined with the high risk commercial shit. And more importantly, they allowed the 'bundles' of toxic debt whereby no fucker knew what was what. That was the issue with the top bankers- they had no idea what was toxic and what was not. Serious, serious wankers.

That part was due to the relaxing of US laws rather than ours, but still, the Masters of the Universe reigned supreme.

The 'growth' was all it took. Was going to happen someday really. Especially when you sell houses to poor fuckers who cant afford them. How many have credit cards maxed out? Mental times.

I think there will be major changes in this country in the coming few years. There has to be, because so many people have completely lost track reality, and expect the government to literally do everything for them. We need to take a step back and get back to basics again.

Winky, if you care to do a bit of research, you will find the pension time bomb was well alive long before the banking crisis. But Labour and even the Major govt decided not to touch the subject as it was deemed political suicide.

In short, they left it for someone else to sort out. Now the political landscape has given the govt a window to change this and thankfully they are grabbing it. I bet if Labour were in power they'd do the same thing. There's no real other choice if they are serious in reigning in our deficit.

So trying to pin the pensions on the bankers just shows your ignorance. believe it or not, the country wasn't all sweetness & pie before the crisis hit.

As for if the Tories would have bailed the banks out, they'd have had no choice anymore than Labour did. Anymore than the US, Iceland, Hong Kong and all other governments who injected money into banks. Just because we have a free Market economy doesn't mean the government can commit economic suicide.

"Just because we have a free Market economy doesn't mean the government can commit economic suicide."

No, but the banks can certainly try. Because this government aren't really doing anything to prevent it

And yes, the Labour government certainly lacked the balls to tackle any of the issues that were ticking away. I'm no fan of that government either but I think it ignorant and lazy to blame an entire world economic crisis on one government.

And if you believe this government is doing any good at all, then you are deluded. The enormous longterm and irreparable damage they are doing to our economy is monstrous.

40,000 families to face homelessness? Now, that's ignorant.

"because so many people have completely lost track reality, and expect the government to literally do everything for them. "

How very many people? And what "everything" does the government do for them?

And we seem to have plenty plenty money for a war in Libya for a country "on it's knees", "on the brink of bankruptcy" - a country whose economy in 2007 was described by the IMF as "robust and healthy".

It's all such bull.

I don't know how anyone can support the tories, to be honest. I am disgusted by this government and it makes me furious that people are just sitting back, watching them make huge cuts, talking like it's for the good of the country but they have no idea how harsh reality can be.

I agree that labour did spend too much, but do people forget that the tories agreed with them back then? It seems they agreed just so people could hate labour and use that to their own advantage.

I myself, am terrified at what the government's way of thinking and all the cuts is going to do to myself and my family, not to mention my friends too. I have to watch what our government is doing more than I've done so before, as I'm more than likely going to be affected badly by the changes they propose or have brought out. I can only view our government as heartless, and I could cry at the lack of knowledge they really have of life outside their little cosy 'bubbles'.

Oh ye gads.

There have to be cuts . We have no money. Can you not see that?

Here's another angle, how about those who work all the hours , work hard, take huge risks and when they finally come good, the Govt takes half of it from them to give to people who have no intention of ever working, contribute nothing to society and are a blight on it, in many cases?

OK INdigo

What about those in the middle?

or are you saying my family (I am a carer and PT student, DH was amde redundant and is now trying to establish a small business and complete his degree) are a non working blight? Becuase right now it is looking as if my very hard working family with our two disabled kids and two being investigated (all born with Dh and or I working good jobs) for SN are likely to end up homeless. If we move out of the area we are in, DS3 will lose his specialist educational palcement that we spent 3 years trying to get. Something I personally can't voluntarily opt for; our lives would be far easier if we said sod it, let's take the offered council house and pay less rent for ever- but ds3's education means more.

If you think we're a blight then I guess you won't care, if you don;t then why is it OK for us to be treated the same as someone who chose their path of dependency?

People are rarely black or whhite; there are shades of grey. DH and I paying taxes after A Levels funded the degrees of many of those who are now happy to spit on us for needing tax payers help. Odd, really.

The changes to DLA mean that neither boy will likely qualify, even though one faces dependency all his life- I have met several autistic adults who have been refused state support despite being unable to work, dropping from HR care to zero becuase of the way ATOS operates the tests. One speaking last week at the International Autism Conference. I am glad I will be dead when he faces independence (obviously I'd care for him until then) becuase frankly it would kill me to watch him fall through the system anyway.

We have no money? Where is money for war in Libya coming from then?

Tax goes towards many many things not just idle benefit lifestylers. Lame rationale that.

Are 40,000 families really facing homelessness, or are they just going to have to move outside of central London?

'Heartless millionaires'. Get a fucking grip. And stop feeling bitter. It's unbecoming.

Thefalcon, hardly: we live in Wales for a start and we are at risk!

HB limits are set regionally not nationally (probably rightly) so a cut of X% is a cut to the cost of housing wherever you reside. Here the rent level goes down to £400 PCM which is only doable on the big estates, somewhere already oversubscribed as so many would want to fall in with the regs, and in my own case outside the catchment of ds3's SNU.

I am not scared of estates; heck I grew up on one. A worse one. I am worried that my autistic son will be dragged away from the first school he has ever managed to cope in because of a postcode.

And we are a working family mind; always have been.

You will note as well that the 40000 thing also worked on the basis that the change will cost more than it will save.I know it would increase what our family cost the state as moving into council or most (all?) cheaper accom would mean DH could no longer (tenancy contracts) work from home; I know of people renting in central Bristol where this cut combined with a cut to night buses means they won;t be able to continue working as they will have no transport to get to the places they can afford after a shift. That's it though you see; most of the scrounger types the people want to see affected are already in council homes and protected. The ones who will be hit are often working low income, temporarily redundant or carers. Just seems a little arse about tit to me.

Falcon, they might have to move to somewhere where rents paid for by the rest of us are less than £400 a week.

I'm sure the hearts of the working poor who get not a penny in benefits but earn barely enough to scrape by, are bleeding.