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How the name of heaven can anyone support the Tories?

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turdassmuthafukka · 30/06/2011 12:18

I just don't get it. Unless you are a heartless multimillionaire - then it makes total sense of course.

I have to turn off Radio 4 when I hear Hague?Gove et al dribbling out their blatant lies/spin/venom especially early in the morning. How on earth can ANYONE not see them for what they are?

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RobF · 01/07/2011 23:18

I wouldn't have a problem with some kind of modern workhouse system, although it'd have to be called something different. I don't think there's a major difference between workhouses and sink estates, except for the fact that few people on sink estates work.

usualsuspect · 01/07/2011 23:19

oh do fuck off robf

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:21

"Labour has a quaint tradition of valuing people wherever they come from - not being prejudiced against people who went to posh schools. "

That's a laugh! How many times is the Bullingdon club mentioned when Labour-types talk about David Cameron? Not to mention George Osbourne being a multi-millionaire.

Gordon Brown went to a Grammar school. Labour then abolished said Grammar schools, which were one of the major means of achieving social mobility.

LucaBrasi · 01/07/2011 23:21

PS in a format that give stats from the thatcher years, just for that evenness of tone. i'll show you mine if you show me yours.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:22

as I suspected.

Usual, don't bother, these people don't tend to f* off. And you're now spouting 'leftie hate', tut tut :D

thanks Rob, loved the bit about having to call it something different. It would take a big PR budget to rebrand that one, eh?

Anything to say about the entirely innocent kids who would go to the workhouse with their feckless breeders? Or do you just not care? (Well I know you don't, but it would be interesting to hear you say it outright).

LucaBrasi · 01/07/2011 23:23

Ooo RobF, you are turning me on with your wickedness. Shoud they be whipped for their feckless ways?

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:25

What do YOU say about the entirely innocent kids that are left with their utterly feckless parents, who spend most of their time off their heads on booze or drugs, and give their kids absolutely no chance of being succesful as adults?

usualsuspect · 01/07/2011 23:25

I know...you can't argue with stupid....

LucaBrasi · 01/07/2011 23:27

I'd get you educated for a start.

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:29

Oh well, I guess you'll have to wait for Labour to get back in and open their magical money back and make everything better again. For a few years, until they run out of money they never had in the first place. Some people are just too stupid to understand how the world works.

moondog · 01/07/2011 23:29

Rob, I'm glad you picked up on Edam's comment as I was about to.

Probably the most idiotic (and amusing) thing said on this thread to date, and there is some stiff competition.

How's that whole class war off with their heads thingy working out for you Edam? Grin

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:30

Rob, I believe that children should be shielded from abusive parents by any means necessary.

This usually involves the state stepping in in some form, which Tories don't like. Hence, I presume, preferring to leave them to starve and be abused on the streets by strangers.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:31

it's always the 'magic (Labour) money tree' vs. the 'magic (Tory) job tree'

Sorry, extremes on either side are stupid.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:32

Luca, don't get him excited please

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:33

I don't think anyone thinks the Tories have a magical tree of any kind.

moondog, what was Edam's comment? I can't find it now.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:35

nb money clearly does not grow on trees. People with lots of it and big corporations with far too much of it need to be taxed for it.

Pay now for decent education including sex education, contraception and (god forbid) a decent standard of living and you'll find yourself paying for far fewer babies on benefits a bit later. Or else, find yourselves with a very overcrowded Fecklessness Correctional Facility (do you like how I rebranded workhouses there?)

Do you suggest child labour as a way of making the children of the feckless pay for their parents' errant ways? (tick, tick, tick....)

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:35

well presumably the Magic Workhouse will sort out everyone's problems then.

electra · 01/07/2011 23:37

George Osbourne is known primarily for being a fuckwit before a multi-millionaire, RobF.

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:37

I suggest providing incentives NOT to breed might result in a lot less feckless breeding than providing incentives TOO breed.

It's 2011, not 1951. Having children today is strictly a lifestyle choice. People without the means to afford it simply shouldn't be doing it. There should be a government campaign to make it as unacceptable as drink-driving or smoking are nowadays.

RobF · 01/07/2011 23:38

"George Osbourne is known primarily for being a fuckwit before a multi-millionaire, RobF."
A better chancellor than Gordon Brown though, it has to be said. Or Alistair Darling for that matter.

LucaBrasi · 01/07/2011 23:39

Until then, we will see education, health and everything else bartered to the most cynical bidder. Give it 5 years till you are paying for your cancer medicine and then lets see how you feel.

It is the shock tactics that we have now, but the real shock comes later.

The pity is that Labour are so divided by the Blair/Brown years that noone dares to challenge the Tory deficit crap, even when they know it it crap, because that would align themselves to Brown, which is political suicide. Yes, labour will be in the wilderness for some years to come, but more to do with political infighting.

electra · 01/07/2011 23:41

Hah! That's a matter of opinion.

electra · 01/07/2011 23:43

RobF thinks his words are so profound.

I'll bet he's about 15.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:43

again...they simply shouldn't be doing it...but without enforced sterilisation they are, always have throughout history and always will.

Personally I wouldn't dream of having kids unless I could afford them. However, no one can ever guarantee financial security for life.

And what I absolutely would not do is condemn children who had no say in the circumstances they were born into to a life in the workhouse or on the streets, which is what you are proposing.

Agree entirely with you Luca- the shock comes later. Tories believe they would be fighting the 'underclass' by cutting 'breeders' off benefits. The USA have already done this and now face a society in which developing-world conditions exist alongside the most extreme wealth. As I said earlier, no one is going to like living in the new neoliberal world. They will just start blaming harder, of course.

allegrageller · 01/07/2011 23:44

electra I'd agree with you only I have yet to meet a 15 year old Tory! Although surely there must be some.

That level of bitterness tends to come with age, wouldn't you think?

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