How the name of heaven can anyone support the Tories?

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I just don't get it. Unless you are a heartless multimillionaire - then it makes total sense of course.

I have to turn off Radio 4 when I hear Hague?Gove et al dribbling out their blatant lies/spin/venom especially early in the morning. How on earth can ANYONE not see them for what they are?

I'm happy to be a Tory.

For al the reasons Nicegeuy says and more.
I believe in helping those who try to help themselves whilst supporting those who can't. I don't believe in the nanny state nor do I believe in trapping people on benefits by pricing them out of working.

I am loving how the Anti- Tories completely overlook the fact that most of the Labour lot are filthy stinking too. As is Cleggy.

people vote tory because they think the tory policies benefit them and generally tories are selfish.

They wouldn't vote for someone that may benefit someone else over them.

God you talk bollocks.

Selfish? Yep, thats right. All those rich nasty bastards who pay all that lovely tax so the rest of society can have TC and CB and WTC and HB and so on and so forth.

I wouldn't like to generalise but some labour voters are a bit thick.

You'll probably also find that your average Tory supporter's username on MN would be slightly more eloquent than OP's!

Everyone is entilted to their view. Apparently we live still in a democracy. But let's keep it real. Comments such as the following are rich from someone who supprts a party that didn't have a policy to its name until its election manifesto and since then has either 'amended' them or made up new ones:

"Labour....well when they can muster up a set of actual policies then we can look at if they are serious or not. Right now they are opposing everything without actually saying what they would do differently. And how can you take anyone seriously when all they can do is say "ooooh I wouldn't do that....."

To be entirely accurate Labour are not opposing everything. They have never denied that they would have made cuts too or that they sought pension reform. The differences are in the figures and the ideology. Labour figures are less. Not because they are wrong but because they are not using it as an excuse to inflcit Tory ideology on everyone such as competition is king. Well we see where that has got us with rising fuel prices, rising transport costs, rising water bills etc.

Actually Gill. I do stand corrected. Labour are actually saying that teachers should not be striking and not supporting the strikes, so in effect not opposing the Tories. That's about the only instance I can think of.

I'm more than happy to hear of more times in the past year where they've either agreed with the government or put forward an alternative. I'd also be glad to see their figures, albeit less.

The only thing I recall was prior to the election where good old Gordon Brown promised to halve the deficit in 4 years instead of squashing it in five like the Tories did. Now whilst I understand the sentiment, halving it in four years, means another 4 years of cuts.....Personally I'd rather not have 8 years of cuts. I'd rather cut now and get the damn thing over and done with.

Actually niceguy2, the figures are out there if you care to look. For example, Labour would have taken 1 bllion out of public sector pensions, not over 2 billion as there is no evidence to suggest that such a scale is needed. Figures are also out there which show the local government pension scheme is not in deficit, given changes negotiated by the Labour government in 2006. This government has done no work to identify whether or not there is an evidence based position to support what they say about the teachers pensions scheme. Personally I would prefer a sensible approach to cuts which yes may take a bit longer than a knee-jerk reaction (often the the subject of u-turns and which isn't getting the economy moving), which are largely ideologically driven.

"people vote tory because they think the tory policies benefit them and generally tories are selfish"

As opposed to Labour, who are heavily voted for by public sector workers and those in reciept of state benefits?

I don't expect government policies to affect me, either positive or negatively. I just want to be left along and allowed to provide for my family. I don't expect the government, or anyone else, to provide for me. I strongly believe that conservatism is the right way of living, and everything wrong with Britain is due to people not living up to their responsibilities.

I think there a lot of very stupid people in this country that have been brainwashed into thinking they are owed a living by the state in one form or another. I hate that this is the case, and I think we need to address the issue, in schools and elsewhere.

you get my vote ROBF

Really, people, let's keep government small & our hearts big.

& the Gordo horror???

The man was a monster.

I struggle to see how Labour voters can keep on keeping on.

Too much partisan politics going on in local government.

shall i be the voice of descent then....

i dont support the tories. i never have. i never will. i am glad i voted labour as i nearly voted lib dem...hahahah! my poor student son did that one and is now bitterly regretting it. u turn anyone?

labour helped me no end, child tax credits etc enabled me to work and now im a police officer, full time job, paying all my taxes etc etc....i would never vote tory.
i feel the cuts are too hard and too deep too soon. labour had a 4 year plan and i see nothing wrong in what they were going to do to cut the debt.

dont forget what the last tory government did to this country, privatised all the national companies - the rail companies really benefited from that eh? coal mines? whats left?
need a council house? forget it. maggie sold them all. the only people who benifted from the 80's were those with money or no scruples.

bollocks to your tory ideals. ideals? ha. ha fucking ha.

The only people that benefitted from the 80s were people that had a bit of drive and ambition and wanted to get on in life. Quite a lot of people, really.

Was there anything stopping you becoming a police officer BEFORE you had children?

only that i had child care issues and couldnt have worked shifts before, is that good enough for you? and where do you get off telling me what i should do an when? typical fucking tory.

last night i and my colleague were the entire cover for our district - 2 bobbies, covering a massive area, one car. thats what your precious government have done now.
when i was training there were 5 more scheduled intakes after mine - all scrapped due to the public sector cutbacks. so when you granny gets mugged or your mum burgled remember that eh?

i work a 56 hour week....shifts. try that with childcare issues. numpty.

Maybe Labour shouldn't have squandered all the money during the good times.

Or should the Tories keep spending money we haven't got to make people feel better in the short term, while saving up problems in the long term that will have to be dealt with eventually?

Labour had a 4 year plan to cut the spending. Remember that the Tories did not get a majority in the election and it was down to the lib dems, who have shot them selves completely in the foot and will never be taken seriously again, so nick might be in bother next time round. The reality of these cuts mean less police on the streets, that's a fact. 5 intakes after mine were just scrapped. There were two police officers in 1 car last night covering an area that takes 40 mins to drive from one side to the other, so you really had better hope that nothing happens to you or your loved ones on those nights,as I'm sure that will be the story country wide, if it does then thank this bunch of idiots in power eh. They hold the purse strings now.

labour threw money at every problem with cash that wasn't theirs to throw.

Instead of lifting children in poverty out of it, their welfare state gave the green light for their parents to have even more children in poverty. I agree with Rob entirely. It is a great shame, sin even, that whole swathes of people have been consigned to the benefit bin by labour. That thousands of children are born into families who have no intention of working or contributing to our society in any way.

In my affluent village labour spent hundreds of thousands on a Sure Start centre used exclusively by middle class mothers going to baby massage and breastfeeding groups.

Perhaps that money should have been diverted to the police in the first instance, vicar?

When times were good labour spent and spent and spent. They didn't save or invest for a rainy day. They never do. And now The Evil Tories have to put it right.
This is the second time in my lifetime the Tories have had to clean up the horrific financial mess left by a labour Govt.

Hi Vicar.

Let's be slightly more accurate. Labour wanted halve the deficit in 4 years. I don't think plan is the right word because that would imply they knew what to do. They didn't and still don't in my opinion.

That means that after 4 years of cuts.....we'd have to have more cuts! No thanks.

And what was the only tangible evidence of their "plan"? Oh yes, they were going to pass a law to say that they would. What an utterly stupid thing to do. Let's say you are in debt. Doesn't matter why. You are. You say you are going to tackle it. The best thing to do is start as soon as possible yes? Why would you go around saying "Oh I'll sign this contract I've wrote to myself to say that I will halve my debts in 4 years!" It serves absolutely no purpose and smacks of posturing and delaying the inevitable.

As for the police numbers, it's shocking how little cover there is on a shift. I've spoken to a few officers over the years and it's terrible. If I had my way, I would certainly get more police on the streets. But the problem is how? Labour fuelled all their initiatives using borrowed money. That had to come to an end at some point. You can't go on borrowing forever. And that some point is now. The world climate has changed. Every western nation running a deficit has been forced to tackle it. Even the mighty US are staring down the barrel of cuts or crash.

As I've said before, Labour is like your dad who went out and bought you all Xboxes, playstations & fancy holidays on the credit card. Then when it all went tits up, swanned off into the sunset leaving your mum to pay the debts back. Your mum now has to cut the household budget to pay the debt & interest, leaving less money for even the essentials. Certainly no more xbox games, no more fancy arse holidays. Who's to blame? Your mum the ogre, or carefree dad with his magic credit card?

Niceguy - wish I'd written that. So bloody true!

And I do wish people would quit bleating about the poor getting poorer.
It is only the well off who are losing TC and CB. The poor are getting an increase.

Similarly, our affluent state school loses out as only three of it's children are on free school meals so don't get the £500 pupil premium for more than three kids.

We are less well off under the Tories than under Labour. As our all our friends on decent money.

The Tories have some good policies and aren't afraid to tackle important issues.

Ian Duncan-Smith has just made a brilliant speech for example. -

Niceguy - Oooh you are good! That's a perfect analogy.

I didn't vote Conservative this time round, for the first time in my life I voted for the candidate I thought would do the best job. He lost. Labour got our area and she's not been seen here since. Too busy in London, where she's from.

I get fed up that people can't have a discussion about politics without getting personal. That's what turns people off of politics. You can't hold a view in this country without someone calling you the equivalent of satan's spawn. I'm not a blue blood Tory. I agree with some of their ideals. I think Niceguy is crack on with what he says. I also agree with the Lib Dems on some things and even Labour. The centre ground is a crowded field. I don't like rabid Labour supporters who get nasty straight away cos someone suggests that you can't have a benefits system with a blank cheque. Society has got to change to provide a safety net outside of the benefits system - I think that's sort of what the big society is about, they just aren't putting it across very well.

It's also, let's face it, super duper cool and trendy to be a Labour supporter. Cool Britannia innit?

I've been called a Tory Wife as an insult simply because of my house/lifestyle. Doesn't bother me. My DH is a Lib Dem though so a bit innaccurate!

I have a moving view re: politics. I can sympathise with some tory policies but also some Labour.At the last election I voted Lib Dem but we have a Conservative MP now.

I feel sorry, in a way, for Labour who spent all the tax we were collecting in a time of boom and from profits of companies (mainly banks) which were not real profit. (Although if GB had been prudent like he banged on about maybe he wouldn't have spent it all). However, I now feel sorry for the tories who have to cut back that spending because profits have returned to more realistic levels and are likely to be maintained at that level.

have lost faith in all politicians, regardless of party, this country's down the pan

I have never and will never vote tory.

However, the Labour party simply had and still have no policy for resolving our financial problems.
The majority of those with any power in the party are still firm believers in the Keynes theory. It doesn't matter how many times you try and discuss it with them, they won't deviate.