How the name of heaven can anyone support the Tories?

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I just don't get it. Unless you are a heartless multimillionaire - then it makes total sense of course.

I have to turn off Radio 4 when I hear Hague?Gove et al dribbling out their blatant lies/spin/venom especially early in the morning. How on earth can ANYONE not see them for what they are?

'Gordon Brown didn't go to private school. I think you mean Tony Blair.

Labour has a quaint tradition of valuing people wherever they come from - not being prejudiced against people who went to posh schools. Unlike the Tories who treat minor public schools with disdain, let alone state schools. The current cabinet is not only composed of ex-public schoolboys but boys from the handful of the very 'best' public schools. It's all Eton and Westminster. 23 people in the cabinet, and IIRC, only two women (plus one who 'attends cabinet' without being a full member). And I think only two state school alumni.'

20:16 pm if you want to enjoy it again.
I laughed out loud.

Or that level of understanding of the world. Once people are self-reliant and cannot keep asking their parents for pocket money, their support for Labour and leftist issues seems to decrease. Funny that.

Er, so only rich people should have children, is that what you are saying?

If people don't have children the economy will collapse for sure. How much money should someone earn before they are 'entitled' to have children? Let's have a figure, shall we?

And if someone is poor they deserve to grow old with nobody to care about them? Wow, how fascist can you actually get?

'Until then, we will see education, health and everything else bartered to the most cynical bidder'

Luca, wake up.
Do you have any idea how much moey is pissed against the wall in these sectors already in a variety of ways? I work for the NHS and could tell you tales that would make Elton John look like Scrooge.

Whence comes this assumption that all is rosy in the garden of state funded sectors?
It isn't.

ahahahaha allegrageller, yes unless they have been indocrinated by their parents.

er, not really Rob. I've been independent of my parents since 18 and I'm only getting less Tory.....

I fully intend to look after myself and the kids for life and have never claimed benefits. However, if the unthinkable happened I would like to think the State could support me to get back on my feet. I am lucky to have had the privilege of a good education etc which enabled me to get reasonable pay. Increasingly in our unpleasant country, others will not have those advantages. Why should I insult them for that and hope they die of starvation or get conscripted into workhouses?

The workhouses remark was unbelievable. Must surely be a child or troll. My whole family voted tory - luckily I grew up and saw how wrong they all were.

Robf is a perfect example of why the tories didnt get in with a majority vote. most people are not fuckwits with the morals of a slug.
robf you arent really showing your partys credentials in the best light, do you realise that?

workhouses? really? in 2011?

robf i have reported your posts on another section of the site - i can only conclude you are trolling.

and racist.

Moondog
So get your furry arse and suggest what can be done to the powers that be. But really, cuts are better? Selling off better? Mnnn sensible. Are you suggesting that the US model is better where it is managed for profit?

Personally, I think simply better management is the solution. Whoever proposes this piece of genius in govermnent will get my vote, well, when they manage to produce a plan.

Incidentally, would be interested to know where you work is such a disaster, as it works quite well in my neck of the woods. But then I'm privileged.

Robf - do you live on a sink estate, have you ever lived on a sink estate?

Most people who live on a sink estate have privately owned houses and work in lower paid jobs

Cleaners
Barmaids
Dinner ladies
Shop workers
Factory workers

to name but a few on my sink council estate

You know, all the shitty jobs that no one would lower themselves to do but have to be done

I'm assuming........ that Rob F is a man and that he thinks arguing with girls will be easy. Come on rob, show me your flower! Promise to giggle

"Most people who live on a sink estate have privately owned houses"
Piss off.

"and work in lower paid jobs"
Some do, but I doubt most. I used to live on a council estate, not sure if it would be classed as a sink estate or not.

"robf i have reported your posts on another section of the site - i can only conclude you are trolling.

and racist."
I mean every word I say, I am not trolling.

What on earth have I said that is racist? That most of the kids that get stabbed to death in south London are black?

It's people like you that perpetuate the situation by making politicians fearful of doing anything about it for fear of being branded racist for making race an issue. Race is already an issue when black boys are killing each other at a rate tens of times higher than their peers in other ethnic groups.

Ah you used to. Explains a lot

Some of us poories retain our integrity after earning the money achieved with the help of FREE education and wish the gift on subsequent poories

And people like you add no value to society, RobF. If what you say is for real then you aren't doing a very good job of arguing your points reasonably - you sound like an ignorant bigot.

Robf

I live on a sink estate and in 4 streets 3 houses are owned by the council. Now to buy a house i believe you need a job, so i am assuming most people on my estate work for a living.

So whats a sink estate in your opinion, a council estate???

"Some of us poories retain our integrity after earning the money achieved with the help of FREE education and wish the gift on subsequent poories"
Where have I argued against free education?

"And people like you add no value to society, RobF. If what you say is for real then you aren't doing a very good job of arguing your points reasonably - you sound like an ignorant bigot."
Could anyone persuade you otherwise?

Look, I used to support Labour, and hate the Tories. But then I grew up and figured out what was really going on. Most of the people that claim to support Labour and be 'lefties' couldn't give a shit about poor people in this country. The Tories, under Thatcher, did more for working-class Britons than Labour did in their 13 years of power from 97-2010. That's why Labour's traditional voter base has largely disappeared.

"I live on a sink estate and in 4 streets 3 houses are owned by the council. Now to buy a house i believe you need a job, so i am assuming most people on my estate work for a living."

An estate where 3 households out of 4 streets are out of work clearly isn't a sink estate.

Oh of course, 'let them eat cake' Thatcher who didn't give a fuck about anyone - what did she do to help poor people? Remind me...

Thatcher let them their buy homes at reduced rates and give them social mobility. What did Labour do to help poor people? Throw benefits at them and import cheap labour to do the jobs they should have been doing. Yay Labour.

Then don't take a party view. What did you figure out? The tories, under thatcher, did not do more for working class, They created the aspirational middle class and left those broken by Thatcher, as the underclass. There are still many working class people, by definition, but they themselves define themselves as middleclass, usually through the council home owning criteria. Those that couldn't were left to seed.

What did you think would happen?

'The Tories, under Thatcher, did more for working-class Britons'

hahahahahahaha

Well RobF, you have clearly demonstrated that you yourself don't give a shit about poor people either otherwise you would not use the expression 'breeding' - which is generally indicative of someone who thinks they are 'above' others.

Yes sold all the houses off ,so theres a housing crisis now