Shamima Begum loses appeal

[TheRedBalloon]

Just seen that the Supreme Court have ruled that she cannot return to the UK, her Appeal has been unsuccessful.

She wants forgiveness, but has no remorse and hasn't changed her mind. That's enough for me.

I think this is so awfully sad. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

Does it really not bother anyone else that Jack and Shamima have just been left in Syria somewhere, floating about like desert farts in a trance? They are potentially very dangerous individuals. Dealing with them is not Canada’s responsibility. Nor Syria’s. Not Bangladesh’s. I mean, I assume their movements and activity are being watched but it’s a bit rich for us (having bred them. raised them and then allowed them to leave the UK completely radicalised) to just say they are no longer British. Where’s the accountability in that?

Thanks @TableFlowerss

I can’t believe she has such vehement supporters. Well I can, but I’d expect them to be other terrorists.

Just watched a 10 minute interview with her apparently having just given birth. She doesn't look at the baby ONCE, not when it cries, not when she talks about him. She has a woman sitting with her holding this 'newborn', who is swaddled up so we can't see it, who I suspect is it's actual mother.

A mother who has just delivered a baby is not that distant and cold towards it.

@WatchWatch Why? The ruling has been made based on who and what they think is a threat to our citizens and our borders. They obviously believe she is a threat.

Even at 15, I knew right from wrong. I knew it was not okay to kill children, to rape, to blow people up, to push them off buildings, I had enough of a moral compass to know. I don't buy for a second that this individual didn't know these things were wrong, even if they believe in the overall cause. The ability to overlook and to feel very little when such heinous acts take place is shocking.

I cannot imagine this was a decision taken lightly. If this decision has been made, it's been made for a reason.

Wrong decision. A convicted paedophile can live near families with young children but a young British woman who was radicalised as a 13/14 year old child and then left the country at 15 is deemed too great a threat to national security and beyond reform. Cynical political posturing/grandstanding. The Tories excel at this kind of thing.

Good. I have no sympathy, she has shown no remorse whatsoever. Happy for her to stay where she is. I can't imagine anyone who would support her coming back to be honest, she's a danger, she has no remorse and there's no proof she's changed. She can stay where she is.

@cherrybunx0
Lots of teenagers fuck up. We usually ground them. Or send them to counselling. Or after school courses. Or in extreme cases send them to juvenile detention. We don't kick them out the country. I think its pathetic to be honest the more I think about it. 13-15 year olds do know right from wrong - until they get brainwashed by adults telling them "we need to take revenge for the 100,000s of our Muslim brothers/sisters killed by the West in its middle eastern wars for oil, etc".

Good. It was the right decision. It should stand as a deterrent to others, considering joining a terrorist group.

Thank goodness. This was the first news story that popped up on my phone when I got up this morning. Made my day!

TBH I'm quite shocked at how ready people are to equate the actions of a child who was brainwashed/groomed into committing radical acts, with those of an adult.

Basically this kind of dogwhistle "hardline" stuff plays well with a significant section of the Tory's current base. It's nothing to be proud of though.

The ruling was to prevent her coming back to participate in an appeal against being stripped of her citizenship. There is now almost no prospect of a fair appeal as she has no chance of arguing her case. She cant even talk to her lawyers as communications are being blocked. Whatever you think of her, the idea that Priti Patel can decide you are not a British Citizen is deeply worrying. She has no other citizenship (just a possible Bangladeshi qualification). It a great tool for the government to intimidate and persecute anyone who has a minority ethnic background.

Many times if terrorists are caught in this country the first thing people say is to deport them - I’m sure the other countries don’t want them back either.

I’ve heard so many occasions where someone has been born or raised in this country but deported back to their birth/parents original country for no crime or a small crime so you would think she would have been deported too.

Ultimately, even if you are radicalised/groomed, once you become a perpetrator of crime you have to do the time. Yes there are mitigating factors i.e she was 15, but the age of criminal responsibility is below this. With terrorism, there is the high risk of multiple victims in a short space of time.

I do feel she is being made an example of and left in quite a brutal environment but at the moment because of the risk I don't see what else can be done.

She kicked herself out of the country. It was her decision to leave.

The Supreme Court is nothing to do with the Government and their policies. Hence the court case! They have left the door open for her if circumstances change. Bangladesh could accept her as a citizen.

I was slightly surprised they didn’t follow the Appeal court judgement but were in the position to have input from security chiefs. So took a view based on that.

Obviously this gives a clear warning to others. I do think this child was radicalised, but no one else has been spared because they were young when radicalised. Obviously snd was misguided and stupid. I do believe she deceived her parents.

It’s reported universally that she’s had 3 children. I am not totally surprised she looks traumatised. Lots of women in this part of the world are! She doesn’t have access to the courts where she is but if that changes she could launch another bid to come here.

She didn’t get legal aid. Barristers acted pro bono (free) because it’s an important case. That’s not unusual in such cases.

The right decision, She was still spouting anti western rubbish in an interview I saw.
Now let us sue her supporters to get some of the costs of this action back.
Perhaps the possibility of a deal if she were to help grass-up and prosecute the men who kidnapped the Yazidi women? (I see one of the slaves was rescued yesterday).

I find it terrifying that she can be stripped of her citizenship, she was a child when she was groomed by this evil organisation

Me too. Whatever happened to taking people to court and judging them for their crimes? Stripping someone of their citizenship should only happen if they apply for citizenship under false pretenses

@Cam77 She said she was inspired to join the group after watching ISIS beheading people videos.

You think it's pathetic based on that, and the views she still has, that it has been ruled she is a danger to this country? You think it's on the same level as grounding children who have been naughty?

What do you suggest we do then? Bearing in mind it would cost millions for Mi5 and the police to monitor on the level it would/is going to require should she come back. Do you also think the same about Jack Letts?

Ok I am missing something here why is she a British Citizen? , did she not marry a Dutch Citizen? so why hasn't she taken her husbands nationality or don't the Dutch want her either

She has other citizenship, but they have stated they will hang her as a terrorist, hence she wants back into the cushy uk.

She chose to leave this country, with our fair laws, morals, lack of capital and even corporal punishment and democracy. If our ways disgust her so much, she can see how other places treat terrorists.

I am missing something here why is she a British Citizen?

She was born in the UK.

@Oldsu

Ok I am missing something here why is she a British Citizen? , did she not marry a Dutch Citizen? so why hasn't she taken her husbands nationality or don't the Dutch want her either

Women don’t automatically surrender their nationality on marriage to men of a differently nationality any more @Oldsu Nor gain his automatically. That stopped in most countries decades ago. Even Meghan Markle didn’t gain U.K. citizenship despite marrying into the BRF (and she didn’t live her long enough to be eligible to apply).

Was she not the leader of the three who stole someone's family jewellery to finance the trip?

Did she radicalise the other two?

An all round good egg!

She has other citizenship, but they have stated they will hang her as a terrorist, hence she wants back into the cushy uk.

She does not have any other citizenship. Even the UK government argument is that she could APPLY for Bangladeshi citizenship, not that she has it, and they have shown no evidence that she has such citizenship. Under international law it is illegal to strip someone of their citizenship if they have no other citizenship - and that is one of the bases on which the appeal against stripping her of citizenship is based!

Also, we do not EVER deport people to a third country where they might face the death sentence, no matter what heinous crime they may have committed. Before we agree extradition, the death penalty has to be off the table. Is this so very different?

I think that people may have a right to be angry with her. People may despise her. Or she may be as much at the mercy of manipulation by the gutter press as she was by ISIS.

But it should not be about her - it should be about human rights. If it is so easy to strip her of a citizenship that she was born to, it is just as easy to take mine or yours.