Shamima Begum loses appeal

[TheRedBalloon]

Just seen that the Supreme Court have ruled that she cannot return to the UK, her Appeal has been unsuccessful.

You’ve got no idea what their rational is. They know more than YOU and have based their decision on facts they have in front of them. Facts you don’t have access to!

Go and find some buntin and bake some cakes for her then if you’re that bothered.....

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@Unfucked

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I do understand the ruling . I don't the thinking behind it.

Her case has not ended.
This was not a hearing about her right to citizenship - it was an appeal against the Hime Secretary's decision to refuse her entry to the UK in order to make that appeal. - It's a VERY different thing.

The camp she is currently in does not even permit entry to lawyers. So until she is able to transfer to a place that does allow her access to a lawyer she cannot make the appeal.

Personally - this is kicking the can down the road. Once she does get to a place from where an appeal can be lodged I cannot see any legal way in which someone can be stripped of their nationality once legally obtained . (Work in criminal immigration field - prosecution) .
I have stripped plenty of people of their UK citizenship but only when it's been obtained by deception. (False IDs, Sham marriages, Lying in LTR applications etc) but this is not the case with Begum. No one is denying that she had legal right to her citizenship.

Emotions have no part in law. If this were the case then every child killer , torturer (Hindly/Brady ?) /Bomber - (IRA in UK and NI) - would of lost their citizenship. And then where do you put them ? Who on Earth would want them ? It simply has no part in law.

The Home Secretary may of won this battle but there is no way that the HO will win the citizenship case. It's simply unlawful.

If there are any human rights lawyers /specialists on here who can tell me any argument that can been made in the Home Office defence regarding the removal of citizenship from Begum - I would be genuinely interested.
Facts mind - not daily Mail pearl clutching hyperbole.

The camp she is currently in does not even permit entry to lawyers

So how do journalists get in? This is a genuine question - who decides who is allowed into the camp and who isn’t?

The people who control the camp. It’s in Syria. Journalists are in Syria. No British lawyers though.

Oh ok. Thank you for answering my question Percy.

Yes that is sadly true ... journalists = publicity .. = good.. lawyers less so

Begun us caught on a step..

The step is the right to come home. To appeal. Once that is surpassed.. personally I can't see how citizenship can be denied.

I would be more than happy if someone could come up with a legal argument.

No one at the moment can see how she can get back here. So whatever the merits of the case, it won’t be heard.

Aren’t we just hoping/assuming she will die in the Syrian camp before her case gets heard? Then she’s not a danger to anyone.

@RunningFromInsanity

Aren’t we just hoping/assuming she will die in the Syrian camp before her case gets heard? Then she’s not a danger to anyone.

No.

I certainly don't hope she will die in Syria. I just don't want her back in this country. It will open the floodgates to others who do the same. Then it will be suing for compensation for all their hardships.

When we removed her British citizenship, she had Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. We weren't making her stateless.

We were legally sound in that decision. Just because she has now been made stateless by Bangladesh refusing her, doesn't mean we have to 'take her back'.

I hope she lives a very miserable life, making it crystal clear that this is the life waiting for any future Jihadi Bride or Fighter.

There’s a quote which unfortunately I can’t find that goes along the lines of people will accept their prison sentence or whatever form of incarceration resignedly enough but as soon as there’s the possibility of freedom then the incarceration becomes unbearable.