Truth about vaccinations quotes

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These are quoted from www.vaccinetruth.org

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world, indeed its the only thing that ever does." Margaret Mead

For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal.
Dr. Moscowitz

Cost for vaccinations: $10.00
Cost of trip to McDonalds after vaxing: $10.00
Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00*
Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS

• Actual bill United States

What is the name of the test that can be given to determine if a child can safely receive a vaccine?

It's called a breath test. You hold a mirror in front of the child and if condensation appears, they are still alive and cannot "safely" receive a vaccine.

Steve

Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system

"The only shot my son needs is a shot at the future."

......Lori Mcilwain

Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
bodies." A. Saul Contributing Editor,
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (www.orthomed.org)

You can always put the vaccines in... but you can never take them out.

That's OK HMO2 TBH I'm finding this whole thread so aggressive, could be down to me, twins due any day now and I'm maybe a bit oversensitive. But I would be genuinely interested to hear a response to my question re lowered MMR uptake and increase in Measles cases.

Oh dear...you really are a bit....hmm..well....yes. Well, I can't take you seriously I'm afraid, so I am rolling my eyes and leaving this thread.....ha ha!

I don't think you're actually doing the cause of anti vaccination proselytising too many favours, ASTU...

You know its funny how you can "elect" to have a caesarian section, like its almost a consumers choice. Yet, when you balk at having injections you come up against a labyrinth of medical expertise.

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I doubt it - she's a woman on a mission! I can see some merit in some of the anti vaccination arguments, but frankly this sort of approach couldn't talk me out of a burning car...

Happy, i can go away but this debate wont. I cant remember from my debating club experiences ever saying "will you go away". Perhaps you should treat this thread as a tool to hone up your skills regarding discussion of vacs. I still see people responding to my comments and until they dont respond any more I will stay thank you. If you would like to privately convince them to do otherwise, that is your choice. But hey we are all adults here. Despite the alleged unsavoury content of my threads, people still have an interest.

Ahhh what a thread of extremes!
FWIW
DS had anaphylaxis after mmr, so we did not revisit his jabs he is now 10 and well
dd is 2, she was to have her mmr in hospital, but she caught measles (where from who knows due to a heart condition she rarely left the house before 13 mths old)
When she was dx'd by the docs and I mentioned to some friends to alert them I had about 8 phone calls from people asking could they expose their child to mine to catch measles.
No joke
Now when checking out the mmr after having measles both dd's paed consultant and GP would not urge me to have the mmr, consultant particularly said he could not relay to me any perceived benefit as such against the probable risk of her reacting.
So she remains unvaccinated
My brother nearly died of measles in 1991 aged 16, he is very fortunate to be a) alive and b) healthy and untouched by any side effects.
I can see both sides in all honesty.
However to insult another persons intelligence beliefs or career in order to assert your point however impassioned and relevant you feel it is
Is simply not mumsnetting IMHO
And I'm not being cliquey but we don't do that here like that, its disrespectful

Ahhh what a thread of extremes!
FWIW
DS had anaphylaxis after mmr, so we did not revisit his jabs he is now 10 and well
dd is 2, she was to have her mmr in hospital, but she caught measles (where from who knows due to a heart condition she rarely left the house before 13 mths old)
When she was dx'd by the docs and I mentioned to some friends to alert them I had about 8 phone calls from people asking could they expose their child to mine to catch measles.
No joke
Now when checking out the mmr after having measles both dd's paed consultant and GP would not urge me to have the mmr, consultant particularly said he could not relay to me any perceived benefit as such against the probable risk of her reacting.
So she remains unvaccinated
My brother nearly died of measles in 1991 aged 16, he is very fortunate to be a) alive and b) healthy and untouched by any side effects.
I can see both sides in all honesty.
However to insult another persons intelligence beliefs or career in order to assert your point however impassioned and relevant you feel it is
Is simply not mumsnetting IMHO
And I'm not being cliquey but we don't do that here like that, its disrespectful

Please could someone explain why there was an outbreak of measles in an area with significantly lowered MMR uptake.

However, i do have other things to do right now and will close with something I said earlier.

Isnt it funny how we take such pains to have a healthy pregnancy. We go through the scans, the temperature and bp gauging, the good food the vitamins, exercise etc. Then when we have baby, our beautiful perfect baby who is clean and relatively toxin free, we poison him for the "greater good". Funny isnt it. We might as well smoke, do crack cocaine and drink considering how it all turns out in the end.

has she/he/whoever gone?

not sure, but I didn't get an answer to my question.

astu we're all going to die one day
lets just all kill ourselves?
Hmmmm

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yes, I was being sarcastic. I wouldn't want to say vaccinations are 100 % safe and 100 % effective (and as mentioned before, Jimjams ppoints always sound very sensible to me).
But no medication are0 % safe and 100% effective and still we (and our children)take a lot of medicins.
No, doctors don't know everything, and as someone mentioned, it is difficult to prove 100%whether anything is right or wrong in science. I believe it is even more difficult to prove anything in medicine than in "science". Yes, we do need more research, but there are in my opinion lot of other equally omportant or more important issues.
Doctors shouldn't behave like they are god but patients should stop treating them as god. They should stop saying "what ever you think is best doctor" and try to make up their minds themselved instead of putting it off to doctors (and other health professionals). Believe me, MN mums are not the average patient you come across!

DS turn to play on the computer now (cbeebies website...)

can't help you with that one bubble - sorry. But presumably if they didn't have the MMR they had the single vax instead?

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Bubble99, sometimes children get measles even when they've had mmr. IIRC that was the case with at least one of the outbreaks in the past few years. Haven't read much of this thread though and think I may stay out of it!

ASTU's post of 3.16:

Isnt it funny how we take such pains to have a healthy pregnancy. We go through the scans, the temperature and bp gauging, the good food the vitamins, exercise etc. Then when we have baby, our beautiful perfect baby who is clean and relatively toxin free, we poison him for the "greater good". Funny isnt it. We might as well smoke, do crack cocaine and drink considering how it all turns out in the end.

You really think that vaccinating a child is akin to smoking, taking crack cocaine and drinking during pregnancy? And you expect me to take your viewpoint seriously, as if you have some sort of well-reasoned, well thought out point of view? Hmb and jimjams have opposing views on this subject and I have enormous respect for both of them as they present articulate and balanced arguments. All this cut and paste stuff is just a mish mash of scaremongering: your intentions may be good, you obviously really believe that people need to question vaccination more, but you are doing your cause no good at all with these wild statements.

LOL - can't believe this thread is still here!

ASTU - you say that none of your extended family have had any vaccinations - yet live 'all over the world' - well they obviously haven't travelled very far then. As many '3rd' world countries need proved of Yellow Fever and (in some cases) TB vaccinations before even allowing you into their countries!!

As has been mentioned - I don't think any on on here is saying that vaccines/medicines are 100% effective (they've not actually the figure is usually between 90 and 99% anyhow) or that they're 100% without risk - BUT most of us that have vaccinated their children (and had 'voluntary' vaccinations as adults) have come to the conclusion that they DO help.

Of course there's research to say they don't - but there's just as much to say they do.

Jamming it down people's throat in such a contrversial and argumentative way isn't going to make anyone listen.........and no I didn't bother reading most of your 'cut and paste' jobs - complete turnoff.

SPENCER
From thinktwice.com

"Dear Thinktwice,

"I read your book too late...

"My dearest son, Spencer Joseph, died 10 hours after receiving his 4th dose of DPT, HIB, and oral polio vaccines. He was 20 months old.

"I knew Spencer was dead when I heard my husband wailing like an animal. I grabbed Spencer's stiff and lifeless body and screamed, God, No, Not My Baby! He Can't Be Dead!' I administered CPR for 15 minutes, pounded on his chest, and yelled, Come Back Spencer, Come Back, Come Back!'

"Then I heard my father say over the phone to 911, `We've got a dead baby here.' Realization hit. I opened Spencer's eyes, and he was dead. I then hugged his stiff body and emitted sounds I didn't know any human being was capable of making.

"I cannot adequately express my horror, anger, and ultimate suffering. My life turned upside down in one day, and each day that goes by I look at as one day closer to death, one day closer to Spencer.

"Why? Because they told me the benefits outweigh the risks. What does that really mean, and why are these people allowed to play God? After educating myself further [on vaccines], I realize I was lucky to have had Spencer for as long as I did.

"Spencer's death certificate said, `Sudden and Unexpected Death; No Cause Found.'

"I have met numerous times with [the pathologist] in an effort to have [tests done to detect vaccine toxins]. He said he didn't take the blood in assayable [testable] conditions. I asked him to do an immuno-fluorescence test, and had him speak with Dr. William Torch [the medical researcher who found correlations between vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome], but [the pathologist] said it wouldn't yield anything. I asked him to do [another test], but he said they don't do that test there. It's maddening and frustrating BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP. Spencer was so special and loving that his mama will not stop fighting until the day I die.

"Spencer was my first and only child. My husband and I are completely devastated. Now I will channel all of my anger and my ultimate, unconditional love for my precious baby, into this cause. No one should have to feel and know this living nightmare.

"I am writing to you for a couple of reasons.

"First, let me congratulate you on your courage and honesty, not to mention stamina, in writing your book.

"Secondly, anytime you need help to express your campaign against killer vaccines' please feel free to contact me. I joined a SIDS' group to deal with the pain. All the so-called `SIDS' babies fit classic DPT adverse reactions. The [parents] are anti-vaccine for their surviving children. We have an educated group fighting to educate others about adverse reactions.

"Third, I seek permission to [share with others] excerpts from your book because I need to educate unsuspecting mothers about my horror. Please allow this.

"I am bound and determined to get the word out. I WISH EVERY SECOND OF MY EXISTENCE THAT I WOULD HAVE KNOWN! Why did I find out after the fact?

"If there is any information regarding this issue that I may give to other mothers, please send it to me. I would include a donation.

"I am not in this for money. I'm in this to keep ANYONE from living my desolation. Thank you."

Now, can any of you read this and be cynical. Seeing as you are not reading my links, this story says it all. There are hundreds just like it on the web.

Sorry to resurrect this again but just wanted to say, yes I was joking about the smoking. My point was that people can often cite an example or two to prove a point, but omit to mention the hundreds/thousands/millions of examples which prove the opposite.

Was typing my post while ASTU posted theirs.

Actually we're asking you to post LINKS - and not long stories.

I don't think anyone will deny that it's s terrible story - BUT it doesn't happen to all babies, and infact it happens to a minority of babies (hence the reason we all accept that NOTHING is 100% safe, or 100% works).