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Truth about vaccinations quotes

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alwayssaythanku · 20/01/2005 00:22

These are quoted from

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world, indeed its the only thing that ever does." Margaret Mead

For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal.
Dr. Moscowitz

Cost for vaccinations: $10.00
Cost of trip to McDonalds after vaxing: $10.00
Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00*
Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS

  • Actual bill United States

    What is the name of the test that can be given to determine if a child can safely receive a vaccine?

    It's called a breath test. You hold a mirror in front of the child and if condensation appears, they are still alive and cannot "safely" receive a vaccine.


    Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system

    "The only shot my son needs is a shot at the future."

    ......Lori Mcilwain

    Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
    happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
    bodies." A. Saul Contributing Editor,
    Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (

    You can always put the vaccines in... but you can never take them out.
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ChicPea · 20/01/2005 00:34

Has your child(ren) had a bad reaction to a jab and that's why you are posting this?

alwayssaythanku · 20/01/2005 00:55

No, thankfully. However, this site from where i got the quotes lists hundreds of personal letters from parents who kids were permanently damaged by vaccines.

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ChicPea · 20/01/2005 00:58

Shall look at it.

alwayssaythanku · 21/01/2005 18:25

For a complete look at the medical terrorism which is the vaccination industry see The Cry of the Heart, after reading this, your mind will definitely be made up about whether or not to vaccinate.

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HappyMumof2 · 21/01/2005 18:58

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happymerryberries · 21/01/2005 19:07

Also , ast, you said in a previous post that pharmaceutical companies give doctors 'back handers' if they agree to vaccinate.

This breakes the Pharmaceutical industries code of practice. If you have such information, and can prove your assertions, I sugest that you contact the ABPI. They will fine any companies that carry out this sort of action.

Please, you are entitled to your opinion, but temper your posts with reason.

Other people on Mumsnet do a very good job of putting the anti- argument in a reasoned and reasonable way, Jimjams is an excellent example. I disagree with her totaly but have nothing but the greatest respect for the way that she presents her case, respectfully with calm logic. She will win over far more people that way than by ranting. And no-one on mn has more of a reason to be angry about vaccinations.

highlander · 21/01/2005 19:10

HM2, um, but it's OK for the government to bombard us with half-truths about mass vaccination in infants?

We live in a free, democratic society where everyone is entitled to have their opinion aired.

Children die in the third world from diseases which can, in part, be prevented by the intervention of community health programmes. Vaccination is obviously a part of this, but of equal importance in the eradication of disease is education and access to clean water.

Elf · 21/01/2005 19:10

Happymumof 2 I don't think Alwayssaythanku is 'bombarding' us with information at all, she is just giving us a few quotes and saying where you can find more information IF you want to read it. The fact is, there is a whole other argument to the vaccine debate and it is wise to read what you can - your doctor certainly won't tell you everything.

jabberwocky · 21/01/2005 19:13

Well put HappyMumof2. For anyone who truly wants to rant about vaccines go to . I happily switched to mn because I got a much more balanced point of view about vaccines and other questions/concerns that I had.

happymerryberries · 21/01/2005 19:15

I you read my post with care you will see that I didn't mention anone 'bombarding' us with anything. I simply pointed out that the best way to reason with someone is to be reasonable in your argument. Extreme comments, either way, seldom change anyone's view point.

HappyMumof2 · 21/01/2005 19:17

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MistressMary · 21/01/2005 19:20

I must admit since coming to mumsnet I have had a more realistic response to the vaccination debate then on other boards where they stick their heads in the sand and don't even think to question the vaccination. Also I got frowned on for going against the main too.
If the government were more forthcoming with the pros and cons, then people like alwayssay thankyou wouldn't need to post their findings and views. In an ideal situation the literature for and against would be freely available to all to read. Maybe less aggressivly then posted here though and with help for all the new parents that find this bewildering enough as it is.

lockets · 21/01/2005 19:29

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WigWamBam · 21/01/2005 19:30

While I recognise that everyone has the right to air their own opinions and to differ with those they don't agree with, I feel that posting in such an aggressive, confrontational manner on a board like this is wrong. We all do what we feel is best for our children; for me, having been damaged by the wild rubella and measles viruses myself, I felt that the best thing that I could do for my child was to have her vaccinated. Yes, there are risks; there are just as many risks with the wild virus.

I respect your right to your views, but I don't feel that you respect other people's right to have views that differ from yours. I also don't appreciate being told that I am damaging my child or being reckless with her health when I have done everything I can to keep her happy and healthy.

MistressMary · 21/01/2005 19:34

It comes down to respecting people in the end, either for or against.

lockets · 21/01/2005 19:34

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jabberwocky · 21/01/2005 19:35

That's really awful lockets. As one who struggled with my decision on how many/what/whether to vax I can see how hurtful it would be to have someone say that you didn't care about your child. I've also never understood why anyone would worry about an unvaxed child giving something to their child who is supposed to be protected anyway, else why vaccinate them in the first place? I do have to admit that after I decided to do ds's vaccines (in a very slow, methodical manner) but before he got the jabs, I did keep him away from children that i knew had not been vaxed as I feel there is a very real risk of one unvaxed child giving something to another unvaxed child.

jabberwocky · 21/01/2005 19:37

Gosh, it took my post so long I don't know if it is clear that I am saying it's awful that someone upset you lockets.

HappyMumof2 · 21/01/2005 19:37

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lockets · 21/01/2005 19:45

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alwayssaythanku · 21/01/2005 19:48

To me personally, vaccination is non negotiable. I have been a new mom and went through hell twisting and turning about what to do about it. No one in my family has ever been vaccinated and all are healthy but, as a new mom, i still worried if i was doing the right thing. The majority of mothers DO vaccinate. So my "ranting and ravings" obviously pale in comparison to the "ranting and raving" of the medical industry. The equation of pro and anti vaccination debaters is still very much on the pro side, in terms of what new parents actually do so what is the problem? We are talking about a life and death situation in some situations. SIDS has no quantifiable precursor, in fact SIDS is not even a disease, its simply a misnomer for infant death, caused by unknown causes. However, it is quantifiable in many many cases that children die following vaccinations, particularly the HIB jab.

I am speaking from experience and what i say isnt just plucked from the ether. I went through it too. I assume women who come to this site are intelligent and are interested in new ideas, and other peoples opinions. My life and the life of all our children is in OUR hands, not the doctors. If something happens because of a jab, who bears it apart from the child? You do. I do not see the point in injecting my kid with something he has very little chance of catching and furthermore commpromising his immune system so that if he did catch something he couldnt fight it. It just does not make sense.

I have something to say and dont feel I have been rude, overbearing or obnoxious in the way I have said it. Vaccinations are not a tea party, they are for many, a life and death situation. I kinow the moms who come to this site are informed, well read and intelligent enough like me, to make an informed opinion, either based on their own research or that of others. If only we had some research on jabs, we could be absolutely sure. Unfortunately we dont. That is the crux of the matter. I regret that you feel the way you do about my postings and I do not understand what you want me to do in terms of getting what I think, is the truth about jabs, out there. I and many other mothers feel like they are watching society poisoning their most precious possessions. Its unbearable to watch and its not the stuff of "easy" conversations.

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Caligula · 21/01/2005 20:06

I think to be fair, alwayssaythankyou is new to the site and therefore unused to the conventions of it. There is a bit of an etiquette here, which it is very easy to fall foul of even if you've posted for ages.

But I didn't find her postings confrontational or aggressive, just a bit over-enthusiastic, if that's not too patronising (probably is, and I've fallen foul... )

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Jimjams · 21/01/2005 20:12

hmb- thanks for disagreeing with me so nicely. But can I just point out (in case I get misinterpreted) I'm not actually trying to win anyone over. I really doon't mind whether people vaccinated thier kids or not. I just don't ever want to be accused of being selfish for not vaccinating mine (that accusation tends to stir me up a bit- you may have noticed )

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