Truth about vaccinations quotes

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These are quoted from www.vaccinetruth.org

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world, indeed its the only thing that ever does." Margaret Mead

For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal.
Dr. Moscowitz

Cost for vaccinations: $10.00
Cost of trip to McDonalds after vaxing: $10.00
Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00*
Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS

• Actual bill United States

What is the name of the test that can be given to determine if a child can safely receive a vaccine?

It's called a breath test. You hold a mirror in front of the child and if condensation appears, they are still alive and cannot "safely" receive a vaccine.

Steve

Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system

"The only shot my son needs is a shot at the future."

......Lori Mcilwain

Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
bodies." A. Saul Contributing Editor,
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (www.orthomed.org)

You can always put the vaccines in... but you can never take them out.

I know what you're saying sophable and of course, anything is possible because no matter what research is done, I imagine it would be virtually impossible to prove a causal link between one thing (say vaccinations) and something like asthma/eczema.

The way we live now though, with so much stuff manufactured in factories, meat injected with goodness knows what, fish with all sorts of high levels of mercury, household pollutants etc. etc. is that our children are subjected to SO much stuff that is probably not good for them, that for me, a vaccination that protects against a killer disease was a good option!

Food additives and colouring scare me. If you look them up on the internet (don't believe everything you read!!!), some are used here that are banned in other countries.

All I'm saying is that, yes, as parents we have to make a choice but for me, on balance, I would rather my children avoided the diseases.

Ok, last post i posted was from the "tuberose.com site written by Philip M Incao, Denver Co. Below you can find the references he used, all sound plausible though I havent the time to check them all out.

Just because something is on the net does it make it less true than if it was written in a book? I doubt very much he is making them up Would you believe it if it were on BBC at 10.00?

If its references you want, i can get you loads of them but they will be rather boring. Just say so and I will provide them.
References of Dr Incao:

Parish, C.R. "The Relationship Between Humoral and Cell-Mediated Immunity." Transplant. Rev. 13 (1972):3.
Ronne, T. "Measles Virus Infection without Rash in Childhood is Related to Disease in Adult Life." The Lancet Ltd. (1985):1-5.
Odent, M.R., Culpin, E.E., Kimmel, T. "Pertussis Vaccination and Asthma: Is There a Link The Journal of the American Medical Association 272(1994):588.
Cookson, W.O.C.M., and Moffatt, M.F. "Asthma: An Epidemic in the Absence of Infection?" Science 275(1997):41-42.
Martinez, F.D. Role of viral infections in the inception of asthma and allergies during childhood: could they be protective? Thorax 1994;49: 1189-91.
Rook, G.A.W., Zumla, A. "Gulf War Syndrome: Is It Due to a Systemic Shift in Cytokine Balance Towards a Th2 Profile?" The Lancet 349 (1997): 1831-1833.
McKeown, T. The Modern Rise of Population. New York: Academic Press, 1976.
McKeown, T. The Role Of Medicine: Dream, Mirage, or Nemesis? New Jersey: Princeton University Press 1979.
Sagan, L.A. The Health of Nations. New York: Basic Books, Inc., 1987.
Rook, G.A.W., Zumla, A. "Gulf War Syndrome: Is It Due to a Systemic Shift in Cytokine Balance Towards a Th2 Profile?" The Lancet 349 (1997): 1831-1833.
Robin, Eugene, M.D. "Some Hidden Dimensions of the Risk/Benefit Value of Vaccine" from the First International Public Conference on Vaccination. Alexandria, Virginia September 1997.
Solomon, T., Kneen, R., Dung, N.G., Khanh, V.C., Thuy, T.T.N., Ha, D.Q., Day, N.P.J., Nisalak, A., Vaughn, D.W., White, N.J. "Poliomyelitis-like illness due to Japanese encephalitis virus" Lancet 1998; 351: 1094-97

Singsong -- the WHO are recommending that every1 get vac'd for Hepatitus B, I have the impression the UK is one of the few OECD countries to not offer the jab, routinely. And given it's only caught from contact with bodily fluids, you're right, it does seem a bit absurd to give it routinely to babies!! It also has a high rate of bad side effects... and I say all that as someone who is quite "pro" vaccinations.

The implication of some of the earlier messages that most parents are dumb sheep who docilely, ignorantly and with no regard for their child's "true" welfare, do whatever the medical profession tells them badly annoys me. How deeply insulting.

amanda- I posted soome stuff on another thread (in special needs- (OMG oh my god) which goes into Th1/Th2 cells (or maybe its the stuff on this thread I've lost track). One of the articles mentions eczema and asthma as well (as they also have an imbalance towards th2 cells). Incidentally I did read an article by someone (medically qualified- with an autistic son) who felt that an eczema flare up was a good reasoon for postponing vaccination as the immune system was hypersensitive at that point.

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Thanks JJ - will look.

Happymumof2, you say : "A child with a healthy immune system and no history of any auto immunity is more than capable of coping with vaccinations. "

Really ? Well you have NO CLUE about the long term effects of vaccination.... like I said yesterday there are more and more scientists researching this... the problem some of these vaccines have not been around long enough to have conclusions.

Also what ever pro or anti vacc people say.... there is no way we'll ever have a controlled randomissed survey which would be a REALLY good way of truly knowing the impact... this won't happen as it would be impossible/unethical.

Here are a sample of 2 studies I found really quickly......
Published in JAMA (equivalent to BMJ in US)
JAMA 1994; 272 (8): 592-3
Pertussis vaccination and asthma: is there a link?
Retrospective study of 446 children and adolescents (mean age 8, all subjects more than 4 years of age). All subjects were weaned after one year of age and received only breast milk in the first six months, in particular on the first day after birth. Different criteria of health were assessed. Obvious differences were found when the subjects were classified according to whooping cough vaccination. Among the 243 immunised children, 26 were diagnosed as having asthma (10.69%), compared with 4 (1.97%) of the 203 children who had not been immunised.

or this Is infant immunisation a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
Epidem 1997; 8: 678-680
The Wellington asthma research group looked at the data of the Christchurch child development unit, which comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus (DPT) and polio immunisations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunised children, 23.1% had asthma episodes and 30% consultations for other allergic illness.

That's very interesting Velcro - but was there any history of asthma in the families where asthma was more common, did any of the parents smoke, did they live in areas with higher pollution (i knew lots of people in Bedford with asthma and my dad's asthma got worse - particually when the brick works were belching 'fumes' in Bedford's direction.

I'm not saying that the research is wrong - obviously those results will be accurate - but lets not forget other factors.

Also with the 2nd lots of stats there - 23 children, versus 1000 children - of COURSE there's going to be a higher chance of them being ill. even 30% of 1000 still leave 700 children that didn't have those problems!

velcrobott, there's a much more recent, very much larger study here that shows no link at all.

A lot of the discussion in this thread is about the possibility of a child becoming ill or permanently disabled after jabs. Theres some talk of the risk involved. According to much research, well documented, there is NO point to vax in the first place. We are talking at cross purposes here. The theory behind vaccinations DOES NOT work!! Its like talking about how to put a square peg in a round hole. Yes a small square peg can be put into a large round hole, but WHY? Why do it in the first place? THere is NO evidence that vaccinations work and the earlier comment that it is unethical to do a comparitive study is so correct. The medical association would NEVER contemplate comparing kids who got sick and kids who dont. Why would they? THe result would be catastrophic for them (and for the drug companies. Be sure you know how a vaccination actually works, if it works, before injecting your kids. There is a plethora of information out there and it takes a leap of faith to contemplate that it might be true. The fact that the con argument of jabs is indeed backed up by evidence that they dont work, should be enough.

Who here would like to me post the statistics on polio, diptheria and smallpox not being affected by vaccinations?? I will gladly go to this trouble but its time consuming.

Oh yes, by the way, I do have children, as stated in an earlier thread, not that that makes any difference. Does one have to have children before talking about children's health? Do you go to doctors who only have children? Doctors who probably know as little as we do about vaccinations. Puhlease. You dont have to be a cow to recognise milk. There is the intimation on this thread that we are TOO IGNORANT to be talking about this and questioning the almighty medical community. After all, who are we, we are just parents. Again, puhlease! If anybody should be talking discussing and thinking about this issue, its the parents. Its our kids who have the most to lose. Just because a doctor goes to medical school for 7 years dosent mean s/he has the answers. They havent the time or the inclination to research this subject. Why should they? When they inject our kids, they have complete impunity from the medical association.

No, you are quite right, just because a doctor has gone to medical school it doesn't mean that they have all the answers. But to be blunt, neither does scanning very selective websites with little understanding of the background science.

Parents can ver very well educated, self taught. But it involves more than cherry picking set web pages, the very thing you accuse the scientific world of doing.

Are you honestly saying that smallpox still exists? That vaccination has no effect?

The extreme nature of your posting is not helping your cause.

As a final point (for a while) I am so glad this thread has garnered some discussion. I only wish there were more people looking at it. In a debate, if you dont like what is being said, you have every right to shoot "it" down, but dont shoot the messenger. Now that is a lack of etiquette. I havent shoved anything down anyones throat, at least no more than what the doctors do. I havent patronised anyone and feel good about starting this discussion. If someone can tell me where on Mumsnet, I can find a blurb about how threads are to be kept to a "cocktail party" level please let me know. We are all literate and perfectly capable of finding concurring or disputing evidence whether its on the net or not. I choose to use the net, as I dont have access to the Lancet and other medical journals.

Happy, do you want the stats? They are referenced.

Where? by who? where publised?

Oh and how many people have you met that have seen smallpox? Before it was irradicated my parents saw it , in an outbreak in the UK. How many times has that happened recently?

hmb: they've just developed a gm version of smallpox haven't they...i know this is totally tangential but

I will get them for you. Its up to you to believe them or not.

If they are from peer reviewed journals i will study them seriously.

An interesting take on this though regarding small pox, is that we have the ability to eradicate most of the world with toxic terrorism (anthrax, etc) to which we have no immunisation. Sort of makes the whole thing a joke dosent it.

Sophable, sorry didnt see your thread, and posted before I saw yours. Yes, we can develop smallpox at will to be used at will against alleged enemies. Further the biggest killer in this world today is poverty. Pity we didnt have a jab for that.

its quite well known that there is small pox in labs used for research but there has been no infections of smallpox worldwide for over 40 years. by the way there is a vaccination for anthrax!!