Truth about vaccinations quotes

[alwayssaythanku]

These are quoted from www.vaccinetruth.org

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world, indeed its the only thing that ever does." Margaret Mead

For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal.
Dr. Moscowitz

Cost for vaccinations: $10.00
Cost of trip to McDonalds after vaxing: $10.00
Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00*
Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS

• Actual bill United States

What is the name of the test that can be given to determine if a child can safely receive a vaccine?

It's called a breath test. You hold a mirror in front of the child and if condensation appears, they are still alive and cannot "safely" receive a vaccine.

Steve

Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system

"The only shot my son needs is a shot at the future."

......Lori Mcilwain

Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
bodies." A. Saul Contributing Editor,
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (www.orthomed.org)

You can always put the vaccines in... but you can never take them out.

MIstress, considering hospitals kill 100,000 people a year in the U.S. (dont know about U.K.) you are right.

I don't think the Doctors and Nurses may see it like that AUST.
They are there to do a job and they in that line of work have a conduct they have to follow and what they learn is what they know, which they believe is the best action. Not that I always agree with the treatments and schedules though.
I actually have more of an issue with MRSA and the superbugs that have evolved now.

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Dear happymerryberries, regarding Aids patients, i have just read the book "Everything you knew about Aids is wrong" If you read this book you will change your mind that people are living longer because of the drugs. People are living longer in spite of the drugs. Further there are many documented cases on the net of parents who took themselves and their children off of the drugs and have remained symptom free for many years. Whilst on the drugs however, they suffered all kinds of maladies. It is interesting to note that in New York, it is a criminal offence to take your kids off the drugs and many parents have fought this in court. The idea of introducing immune suppressing toxins in an already immuno compromised body doesnt make much sense. I have had friends who have died of Aids very quickly and others who hang on. Both the same disease, but both very different people. Despite taking the same drugs they reacted differently. Go figure.

You responded saying I was misleading in my comments about jabs isolating cells. Antibody research is complicated to the very best of scientists, much less someone like me who is not clinically trained. However, you will find that much research repeatedly points to jabs isolating cells, making them one task oriented and tricking the entire immune system into not working for the whole of the body. Our immune system is not a matter of a few triggered cells. It takes a holistic approach. The entire system must fight in a myriad of ways. Triggered cells from vaccinations, it is believed, prevents the entire force of our system from working properly. Perhaps in future threads I must quantify all my sentences with "I believe", or it is my personal opinion. This does not detract from what the research says. There is so much out there for anyone who wants to find it and it dosent take an "expert" to either figure out the basics, or find it in the first place.

The superbug MRSA is spread in hospitals by something as simple as not washing hands. Louis Pasteur and Marie Curie lived how many years ago? Havent we figured out bacteria and dirt causes disease? Hospitals are dangerous places.

Here is one more i culled from the tuberose.com website.

As we mature and age, the immune foundation we develop during our first years of life will remain vitally important. At birth, certain immune defense mechanisms are already in place. Substances secreted in the skin and mucous membranes serve as the first line of defense, and white blood cells that destroy foreign agents by engulfing them (phagocytosis) and other functions are a second line of defense. Although newborns aren't able to produce all the antibodies and other immune defenses they will need, they are already capable of recognizing more than a million different identifying characteristics of foreign substances, or antigens. Infants who are breast-fed receive maternal antibodies and immune-cell stimulating substances from breast milk. For the first few months of life, these maternal antibodies can provide passive immunity against many specific infections. During the first year of life, babies develop their own antibodies. Other immune defenses also continue to develop as body cells mature and as the child is exposed to numerous bacteria, yeast and fungi in the environment, which stimulate long-term or even life-long immune-cell memory. The subsequent resistance to a specific antigen is called natural immunity. By contrast, artificial immunityas conferred by vaccination against disease such as polio and pertussisis quite different. Vaccinated immunity relies only on antibody response to inoculation with specific antigen strains. But there are intrinsic problems with vaccination theory.

The immune system is not a one-truck fire station: Antibodies aren't the only way to snuff out invading agents. There are many, many immune defense mechanisms (including biological response modifiers such as interferon, produced by white blood cells) and different biochemical messengers (including hormones and neurotransmitters). All are involved in maintaining strong natural immunity. A larger problem with vaccination, however, is that it appears to have an adverse effect on immune function. In the case of childhood vaccination, it is thought that current vaccines cause serious defects in immune development and function. While the assumption has always been that we can have both vaccinated immunity and a healthy immune system, this is apparently untrue. When an immune system, especially a developing one, is bombarded with "inactivated" antigens suspended in solutions of toxic additives, contaminants and solvents, immune function can become impaired. We're programmed to think of immunization and vaccination as synonyms. That's no accident. It cost plenty to make us think they're the same. The word "immunization" instead of "vaccination" is now pervasive in both medical and mainstream literature, creating a semantic reality that cannot be supported by evidence. There's a big difference between the two. Immunization means to make someone immune to something. Vaccination, by contrast, according to Dorland's Medical Dictionary, just means to inject "a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms, administered for prevention, or treatment of infectious disease." Vaccination does not guarantee immunity.

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Jimjams, yes it is compex.

My point is that to say 'Jabs do not provide immunity. What they do is isolate cells which normally can fight a whole host of disease. ' is at best a gross semi misleading oversimplification and at worst a load of cobblers.

As you know I have no problem with people saying that aspects of current scientific thought are wrong. After all that is how science advances! Agreed that scientists can be over dogmatic too. But my point is that it helps if you understand what you are arguing with. It isn't easy, but it adnavces everyones undertanding if you do. Spouting 'facts' doesn't help anyones case.

AST getting the disease doesn't always give you life long immunity either. So what? Doesn't make most natural immunity ineffective, any more that vaccination. Getting tetanus doesn't give you any immunity (and you can check this with Jimjams if you don't believe me).....the toxid is so attracted to the nervous system the white blood cells don't 'see' it for long enough to activate the immune system. OTOH tetanus innoculation does work.....not for a life time, but it is highly effective.

singsong, yes in Canada the standard regime is DTPHib plus, in separate injections at the same time, Hepatitis B and pneumococcus. This regime is given 4 times over the first year or 2 (can't remember exactly) plus MMR at 1 year.

Wow highlander, I wouldn't of thought babies were at much risk of hep B (unless some kind of special circumstances such as an infected mother) and I would of thought they could leave this until later in life. I admit I know nothing about the vaccine schedule in Canada though.

ds booked in for 3rd imms on Tuesday but I really don't want him to have them. think I may postpone indefinitely for now.... Are there any "risks" doing this? he is four months... think I remember something about a reaction to the tetanus element (sorry to hijack)

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oops interesting- my cat is fully vaccinated (I don't really care if it becomes autistic!) Also interesting because the first person I came across who decided not to give MMR or singles or men C was a vet and I thought she was barking at the time (obviously now I think she was completely sensible). You may be able to answer something I have always wondered though. it is often said that vet vax removed thimerosil years ago- is this true? If soo was it because of the risks of mercury poisoning or for some other reason?

hmb I was just saying that vax affect more than one type of cell. T he T h1/T h2 stuff really interests me obviously. (as I assume that its likely that the ratio has a strong genetic element and therefoore ds2 and ds3 could be skewed in favour of th2)

Happymum- I don't think these discussions really change anyone's mind. The only people I know who haven't vaccinated made the decision before me (apart from my SIL - but I'm not sure what her long term plan is and she's a dentist so quite capable of reading the stuff and making up her own mind- I sent her some papers but haven't discussed it with her). I wasn't influenced by their decision, only by ds1. Had I posted on here 5 years ago (i did actually but only one post - and not about vax) I would have been very pro- vaccination.

well, I think it must also be pointed out that the large MAJORITY of children who have vaccinations are fine.

In the course of looking after dd and all her ailments, I have met 4 paediatricians (some of whom were experts in their field) and none of who advised I didn't vaccinate (and they had no vested interest in the process). They were at 3 different London hospitals so it couldn't be a hospital thing.

I'm never very keen on reading quotes from the internet re research - how do you know what they are saying is true and the research was carried out properly??

As I have always said, I respect everyone's right to choose what they do with their children but I thought I'd post specially for HMof2 who I think was feeling a bit overwhelmed!

Out of interest alwayssaythanku, do you have kids or do you have some sort of other involved interest in vaccination?

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socci, you could say that about anything. Antibiotics for example. Who's to know what the long term effects of certain of the stronger ones are (that augmentin thread I'm thinking of but there are other examples where prescribed medications have affected children). Also things like household cleaners (the spray ones) - all that recent research that SEEMS to point that it has some effect on family health.

There are so many what-ifs - you wouldn't know where to stop.

you can chose not to give your child antibiotics in certain cases, you can chose green cleaning products, pollute the world less etc.

I'm not saying it's not a difficult choice (well it wasn't for me but I can understand people who find it difficult) - and I'm sure I would be feeling differently if I had a child with autism or some immune disorder BUT the fact of the matter is we do not know categorically that these immunisations cause/trigger autism.

To be honest, it would not suprise me that in many years time we find that there are a small sub group of children who have a deficient immune system from birth who have some sort of reaction to any type of vaccination/antibiotic/powerful viral disease. But that is just my personal opinion.

Jimjams, I can see why you are interested in the ratios. I wasn't having a dig at you, honest!

I just get a bit peed off at some postings that quote verbatum from the net, without people being able to judge it's relevance......rather like you get peed off at sweeping generalisations about the benefits of vaccinations, IYSWIM.

I think that it is great that people research this issue before they make their choice, I just worry that there is some very wild stuff bandied about that has little credibility to it, but because it is on the net people take it a gospel.....and that goes for both pro and anti arguments.

foxinsocks wakefiled etc think that there may be a subgroup with a genetic suscpetibility which is triggered by say mercury poisoning (thimerosil) and then an added viral challenge (eg MMR).

it sounds feasible doesn't it. I wouldn't be suprised if other things trigger it as well. Just a shame (well disgrace really) they hounded him out before he got to do proper research.

foxinsocks, you say that most children with vacs are fine, but we take as a matter of course that lots more children now have eczema and asthma (mild or not) and both of these are autoimmune conditions aren't they? i'm not saying that anything is provable, and given that the research just isn't being done we'll never know...but is even possible in your opinion that vacs might compromise the whole immune system in subtle ways for lots and lots of children, that never go detected as no one is making the link?

The difficulty with vaccinations is that there is so much we still don't know. The research seems to suggest that they are safe for the majority of children and protect not only the child but the community at large. Measles, for example, will be a mild illness for the vast majority of children, but try telling that to the mother of a child with cancer. Measles could well be a death sentence for her child.
I understand all the arguments for immunisation and by and large I support them. However, I equally wonder about the rise of eczema and asthma in children. I thought it highly suspicious that my DS developed eczema after his first injections and which he has thankfully grown out of.
I suspect that we could debate this subject forever.

Mandy