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Problem/Dependent Drinkers and Alcoholics (recovering or active) Support III

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ornamentalhaggis · 12/02/2008 04:19

Time for a new thread already!

Welcome to the thread, the purpose of this is to give anyone who is having any trouble with their drinking, a safe place to come and post about it honestly and without judgement.

There are many of us that use the thread for support and encouragement: some in recovery, others just needing a place to share about their worries. It's been going on in one form of another for a while now and has helped many people.

Thank you to all of those who have kept it going thus far, and welcome to anyone who has decided the time has come to ask for help.

Everybody's welcome, no matter what stage your drinking is at.

Jump right in, the water's fine

kokeshi

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teasle · 13/02/2008 18:09

HI CanYou, I think it may have been me who directed you over here. Its just a really good thread if you think you have a problem with drinking. Regular posters range from people who have realised they are drinking too much and are cutting back, to people like me- I'm a recovering alcoholic.

There is no 'typical' alcoholic- I know we all have that image of the drunk lying in the gutter covered in piss, but the reality isn't really like that at all. Alcoholism affects people from all walks of life.

Anyway, welcome to the thread and please keep posting, there's loads of support here to help you decide what you want to do and people can help with options of routes to take. Its a big step to admit you think you have a problem, so well done to post about it.

There will be people around I'm sure later on. See you later!

CanYouAdviseMe · 13/02/2008 21:02

Hi, thanks for replying. Ornamentalhaggis, its hard to say why I do it..I dont know. i just feel like I need something.

I dont drink much with friends or if I have company. In fact, when im out I dont think about it. When im at work I dont think about it. When I was pregnant I didn't drink and it wasnt difficult.

There is never a time when I do not have alcohol in my house. If I have no alcohol I panic, not because I crave it, but because it isn't there just in case.

I've been through a few tough times over the years and if im upset/depressed I cant sleep. For certain periods, a drink (or a few in fact) was preferable to tossing and turning all night and going to work the next morning having had no sleep whatsoever. That 3am thing, when it feels like you're the only person in the world. When every letter, text or phonecall you get is one more problem.

I am scared of what will happen if I have no alcohol in the house...yet if its there i'll drink it. Not all of it, but enough to make me tired normally.

I have on occasion, isolated myself from friends. I have ignored phonecalls from them in case they can tell from my voice. I dont think they could, because im never drunk but im paranoid they might. I dont know, it doesn't make any sense to me.

ornamentalhaggis · 13/02/2008 23:34

Well, If you're not physically addicted, don't crave don't like the taste of even the feeling, it should be realtively easy to just knock it on the head.

Unless of course, you're perhaps minimising how it really is and possbily in a bit of denial that you have a drink problem. The whole 'just in case' thing to me could be described as a craving in itself.

You see, a 'temperate' drinker faced with all of those things above would just give up and not give it another thought. I've come to realise, over a period of years, that there is something different about the way I use alcohol and therefore I just can't afford to go down that path. I no longer drink for this very reason.

So, where do you think you are in terms of cutting down/abstaining etc? If nothing else a bottle of wine a night will have a huge impact on both your mental and physical health. It's not just your liver that's damaged, it's every major organ in your body.

Keep posting though. You're brave coming on here and admitting this, to yourself as much as anyone here. What do you think would help you?

ps, I smiled at your other thread title about becoming an accidental alcoholic. I don't many people do it on purpose

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ornamentalhaggis · 13/02/2008 23:36

I don't think many people do it on purpose.

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PurpleOne · 14/02/2008 00:35

I may be a 'controlled drinker' but am definitely not 'temperate'.?

Does that make sense?

ornamentalhaggis · 14/02/2008 00:56

How do you define controlled PurpleOne?

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sparklyfairypie · 14/02/2008 01:27

hi guys,

i stumbled accross this thread during my insomnia lurkings, i dont drink myself and have never had a problem with alcohol, but i was curious so read this thread, and just wanted to say well done and hope you all continue to keep working at getting better. i had an eating disorder for years and still in some ways have chaotic eating, so to some extent i do undterstand. i used to go to a eating disorder support group and found it so hard to share but the best thing i got out of it was realiing i wasnt alone.

good luck xxxxxxxx

PurpleOne · 14/02/2008 01:31

I 'choose' when I can have a drink?

I try to keep a hold of it, and that's my excuse?
As shit as that sounds. I go to AA every week, I have no RL support to give me a boot up the arse? It's my sodding birthday tomorrow, well today now, and am not expecting anything inRL. and that's the truth?

I guess I controlit by my moods? But after last Friday I did well? I just try and controlit just 'day by day', and that's all that matters?

I am sober for anther day, does it matter hon?

All I do is try to keep off the booze? x x x

ornamentalhaggis · 14/02/2008 01:52

Hi sparkly, nice to see you and well done for getting over your ED.

PurpleOne I can understand where you're coming from really but it seems like it's a kinda strange limbo you're in. Not really enjoying the freedom of drinking as you would like but not being able to engage in AA. That does seem like a lonely place.

I'm not sure if I could cope with going to AA if I was still drinking, I always felt like an outsider when I wnet back each time after I relapse, does it not feel a bit odd when you're doing that regularly?

I wasn't being critical, I just feel for you...and I know there's so much more to life than this.

WHat can you do to treat yourself for your birthday? I hope it's a good one.

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ornamentalhaggis · 14/02/2008 02:15

I was just reading this today and I wonder if anyone identifies with it? It's from the Alcoholics Anonymous textbook:

Chapter 3

MORE ABOUT ALCOHOLISM

MOST OF us have been unwilling to admit we were real alcoholics. No person likes to think he is bodily and mentally different from his fellows. Therefore, it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could drink like other people. The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death.

We learned that we had to fully concede to our innermost selves that we were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion that we are like other people, or presently may be, has to be smashed.

We alcoholics are men and women who have lost the ability to control our drinking. We know that no real alcoholic ever recovers control. All of us felt at times that we were regaining control, but such intervals-usually brief-were inevitably followed by still less control, which led in time to pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization. We are convinced to a man that alcoholics of our type are in the grip of a progressive illness. Over any considerable period we get worse, never better.

We are like men who have lost their legs; they never grow new ones. Neither does there appear to be any kind of treatment which will make alcoholics of our kind like other men. We have tried every imaginable remedy. In some instances there has been brief recovery, followed always by a still worse relapse. Physicians who are familiar with alcoholism agree there is no such thing as making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn't done so yet.

Despite all we can say, many who are real alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every form of self-deception and experimentation, they will try to prove themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic. If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right- about-face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to him. Heaven knows, we have tried hard enough and long enough to drink like other people!

Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only, limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking in the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house, never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties, switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines, agreeing to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not taking a trip, swearing off forever (with and without a solemn oath), taking more physical exercise, reading inspirational books, going to health farms and sanitariums, accepting voluntary commitment to asylums-we could increase the list ad infinitum.

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teasle · 14/02/2008 07:49

Happy Birthday Purplone!

unhappy · 14/02/2008 13:17

Happy Birthday Purpleone.

Been off work for a couple of days but on day 8 now of the "lent thing" which is going well. I feel better physically than I did but emotionally I am still very up and down the slightest thing sending me into a worrying panic - see my post on parenting today - what a wally!!

Check in later

ornamentalhaggis · 14/02/2008 23:49

Unhappy, well done on day 8! It's great you're feeling good physically and I agree, the emotional part of it does take a bit longer to get a handle on. Make sure you talk about how you're feeling though and reward yourself for all the days that you don't drink.

How's your birthday been PurpleOne?

Happy birthday for tomorrow teasle!

How has Valentine's day been for everyone?

Where are our lurkers? Com and post

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teasle · 15/02/2008 08:12

HI everyone. Thanks OH- yes its my birthday!

ornamentalhaggis · 15/02/2008 10:49

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR TEASLE,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

HIP HIP HOORAY!

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BrassicMonkey · 15/02/2008 11:30

Happy birthday teasle and belated birthday wishes to purpleone xx

Unhappy, well done. 8 days in already! You're doing a great job of it.

PurpleOne · 15/02/2008 13:52

happy birthday teasle!! xx

MeImAllSmiles · 15/02/2008 14:29

Hello, can I join in please. i drink everyday, I know it's wrong but somehow can't help in. My marriage is in ruins, not because of the drinking tho. Last night I was so desperately unhappy, valentines and all that, I go so very drunk and out of control (first time ever) that I couldn't walk properly, fell over and smacked my face on a table, blood everywhere, thought I had broken my nose, maybe I have! Dh unsupportive throughout as always. I have really shocked and scared myself and am hoping that this is the pivotal moment in my drinking. My face really hurts, feels bruised but doesn't look it, have big bloody cut on my nose, good really to serve as a reminder of last night. Just needed to find someone who would understand. Have to go on school run soon and then sort children but I hope to check in later, thank you

ornamentalhaggis · 15/02/2008 19:50

Hi MeImAllSmiles, welcome to the thread, that sounds painful - and not just the physical part. I'm going to ask you a few questions, to make you think about your own situation and help us understand where you are with your drinking.

How much do you drink?

How long have you been drinking this way?

Do you ever go days without drinking?

If so, you you experience withdrawal
symptoms?

What do you get/seek from drink?

You say your marriage is in trouble, does your partner drink also?

Do you think it's having an effect on other areas of your life? Family? Work? Health?

Do you have any real life support other than your husband? Friends? Supportive family members?

And what do you think would be the way forward for you?

We're a supportive bunch on here. We're all at different stages and are trying or have tried various ways to tackle our drinking. There's a wealth of experience and understanding from every poster on this thread. Utilise it!

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MeImAllSmiles · 16/02/2008 10:29

Thanks for the reply. Woke up this morning with a huge black eye!! Answers to your questions -
Drink everyday, about a bottle of wine
Rarely do not drink
Seek escape
H drinks but not as much as me
Not affecting other areas
No other support, v isolated although I am going to Relate

Sorry answers are short but H will be around soon, will try and catch up later.
Way forward would be to try and leave him

ornamentalhaggis · 16/02/2008 13:51

Hi MeImAllSmiles, please sign back in when you have the chance. Would you consider, or do you think it's possible that you could cut down/stop with outside support, from say, the GP or AA?

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ornamentalhaggis · 16/02/2008 14:16

PS If you really think about it, you'll find that drinking does affect other areas of your life. I was asking if it affects your health...what about your black eye? Do you get hangovers and find it difficult to function? I meant the low grade things, not necessarily jaundice or liver failure.

When I asked about relationships that can mean your children, friends, etc parents, not just your husband. Do you think you choose drink over friends and social company? Do your children ever see you drunk, or hungover, or indeed wonder why you have a black eye? How did you get that by the way?

These are things we don't like to admit to ourselves, but it can give us motivation to do something about it when we realise just how big and impact drinking actually has on our lives.

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ornamentalhaggis · 16/02/2008 21:09

How's everyone doing this weekend? Sign in if you're struggling, or just need to get anything off your chest...or if you're doing well that's always good to hear too!

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hellobellosback · 17/02/2008 17:42

Hello all. Prov more of the same re drinking - I wrote down for the 1st time at the doctor's surgery a fairly true estimate of my alcohol intake. It really IS only about 2 bottles of wine a week. I've found that when I drink my tummy is bad. Last night I didn't sleep at all. I lay in bed with my eyes closed, not worried about anything in particular. Dh and I shared a bottle of wine last night and that was it. This morning I felt as though the colitis was starting up again and it was horrible. Alcohol and guts just don't work. I'm feeling better today and frankly I would love a glass of wine!

I am learning another way, that if I want to stay well, I don't drink. It's not that difficult, but I do miss it! Perhaps I'm just middle aged and getting sensible (ahem...). It's better that not drinking, at least for now is becoming the norm, partly at least because our evenings are busier and we have to drive.

unhappy · 18/02/2008 13:40

Hello Everyone - glad to see some of you are doing well.

MeImallsmiles - you sound similar to me in that you have very little support around you and the bottle of wine etc etc - I hope you are managing to cut down.

My lent thing didnt quite work - I had 2 glasses of champagne with my dp on Valentines (he didnt know I was giving up for lent) which lead to me opening a bottle of wine we had in the house and drinking another 2 glasses!! Friday I was OK as I was feeling very guilty about breaking my lent pledge so ignored the rest of hte bottle but Saturday I took a glass but after 2 mouthfuls poured the glass and the remainder of the bottle away. Back on track now and even after one night's of wine again I noticed the difference in my mood - highly emotional blowing stuff out of proportion etc etc. The only thing I would say is that I am feeling quite down perhaps as I am not now blocking out all my feelings about my relationship with dp (other woman being pregnant) etc etc I am now starting to feel all the things I was hiding from - quite difficult at the moment - am taking St Johns Wort and I think its helping some and I really dont want to start back on ADs - will keep on trying though.

Feel quite positive about life today hope it lasts

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