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Do you ever feel like ending it all?

322 replies

ohdear · 05/09/2004 00:39

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sis · 09/09/2004 10:36

Essbee, nothing constructive to add but wanted to let you know that I am sorry for what you are going through and you have my good wishes.

Marina · 09/09/2004 10:54

Same here essbee, so many people here see you as a friend and wish you well after such a rotten time. Very sorry to hear about your aunt, but glad you made some headway at the GPs.

anorak · 09/09/2004 12:52

Everyone - essbee has just emailed me so hopefully she will post when she gets is less busy. She is working at the moment.

essbee, there is absolutely nothing selfish about it and if anyone thinks that, then their understanding of human suffering is nil.

The fact is that you are absolutely the best person to look after your kids. No one else can replace a mother. I know. My mother died 11 years ago and was a chronic alcoholic. She wasn't much of a mother when I was a kid and I grieved for years and years for the mother she should have been and could have been if alcoholism had not transformed her. Your children have a very good mother and no matter what happens, no one else could replace you in their hearts. If you did yourself in they would spend their lives asking themselves if you did it because you didn't like them or wanted to get away from them. I'm telling you this because my daughters saved my life once when I felt like you do. They don't know it, because they were little and I didn't discuss it with them. But the only reason I didn't go ahead was because I knew they needed me.

Years on, I am happy and have love in my life. I would not have reached this point if I had given up. My children would have been left to their father's tender mercies. I think you have read enough of my posts to know what that means. I believe my DD1 would have killed herself by now if she had had to live with her father following a suicide by me.

You sound to me like someone whose needs, whose suffering, whose inner life has been ignored by the people you loved for basically all your life. Far from selfishness, you are a person who has spent their life trying to fulfil others' needs and let your own go neglected. You have chosen a husband on the basis of what you could do for him without a thought for yourself, you therefore chose someone who was never going to take care of your needs. Thus you were damaged and hurt more and more. This has to stop. There is only so much one person can take.

It's now time to address YOUR needs. NOT SELFISH BUT VITALLY NECESSARY.

You need to be heard. You need to talk about all the years, all the pain and insecurity and inner damage you have endured has to come out. Ideally a therapist would be great - not because friends don't want to listen, but because friends don't always have the special skills required to help you find those things hidden deep inside yourself.

But if you can't yet find time for a therapist, you must begin talking to friends. Make it a natural part of your day. The great thing is that you have dozens of friends on mumsnet who really care about you. Women on this this site know some of the things that you have endured and they think you are a tremendously brave and inspiring person. They know about your parachute jump and think you are courageous and caring. They love you. They respect you. And they want to help you through this dark time. Believe it.

Lean on others for once. Accept their help. Come and stay with me for a weekend or anytime you suggest. Take other mumsnetters up on it when they offer you visits, weekends or whatever. Learn to take help.

I am very driven and I do understand how you want to prove you are fine all the time and hide what you see as weaknesses but are actually very normal needs from everyone. I had a big lesson when I broke my leg and could no longer rush about being all things to all people in my family. What a lesson I learned when I couldn't do anything for them, had to ask for help to wash myself etc, and THEY STILL LOVED ME.

Stop measuring yourself by how wonderfully well you're doing. Start measuring yourself by the amount of love in your heart and kindness in your spirit. You will then see what a beautiful and valuable person you really are.

earlygirl · 09/09/2004 12:57

they are lovely lines anorak esspecially the last few-i dont know essbee but i hope she doesnt mind me offering my support too- cause the impression i get of her from mumsnet is a lovely caring person who deserves the love and attention of others(and the sort of person who would probably go out of her way to help others too)

serenequeen · 09/09/2004 13:37

oh essbee i really hope things get better for you soon.

MummyToSteven · 09/09/2004 13:43

Oh Anorak, what an excellent post. Essbee - I know you don't want to dredge up sad memories at the moment, but I do think you need to face up to whatever has left you with such a poor opinion of yourself (combination of parents and ex-h). Its a trite phrase but true that you can't change your family, only your reaction to them. It is nothing to do with your value as a person that you have not encountered people that have helped you to value yourself and shown you your good qualities- it is bad luck pure and simple. You are a great person and will get through this - you just need to believe it.

kimi · 09/09/2004 17:49

Hello essbee, i am new to MN but i have been following your thread since sunday,i really hope you dont mind me having an input but i could no longer just look in. Some of the posts that i have read have given you such good advice and i really hope that you are getting strenth from how many good people are trying to be there for you.
I think the advice to go to the CAB is something you must do, beleave me i know how hard it is to motivate yourself sometimes and how at times in our lives we all feel that we can not go on, and even the smallest thing can become overwelming when there so many things going on.

I am the child of a semi absent alcoholic father (who died when i was 12) and a mother who has had nervous breaksdowns and lived on ADs since i was 9 years old. And yes it is bloody hard, hard for my sister and i to see hard for us to here, hard for us to understand and at times when it all got too much i am ashamed to say i wished her away.
BUT it was even harder for her and through it all she has been there for my sister and i whatever.
Thankfully despite saying she wanted to kill herself she never did, and no matter how low she was she got up and she carried on, and it is only now that i am a mother myself that i reslise how bloody hard it must have been for her.
She was and still is a mother to be proud of and i can tell by your posts that you feel you are "bad" for your children and that they would have a better life without you,I guess you are feeling very ashamed that they see you like this and yes it will hurt them and they will remember it BUT they will also and moreso remember that YOU got up everyday no matter how shitty you felt and YOU faced the world no matter how scared you felt and YOU took care of them no matter how much you neglected to take care of yourself and YOU loved them. YOU essbee, YOU loved them enought to do it day after day after shitty day. You will come through this and so will your children, they will NEVER come through loosing you if you did anything rash.
Value yourself, if you were a "bad" or "unlikeble" person you would not have posted all that you have, you would not have reached out for help you would not feel so badly for you children. i dont even know you but i can tell you are a good person just from what i have read here.
I am so sorry that on top of everything else you now have a bereavement to deal with, but please do try to look for something good in life and know that it will all get better maybe not tomorrow and maybe not next week but soon.
Keep going to your Dr ask if they have any support groups, dont let them keep fobbing you off with a pack of pills, a kind word and the support of friends is going to be much more help in the long run, I know you said that you felt that the friends you do have you feel that you relye on too much, thats just silly, that is what true friends are for and i bet they would do the same in your shoes.
I have never "made" lots of friends although i do have lots of "mates" but my true friends are people i have known forever and would do anything for and i know they would do the same for me, you dont need to have hundreds of friends, choose them well and keep them for life. if you feel that people dont want to be friends with you or are not valueing you then that is their problem and not yours, you are a good and likeably person, beleave me i would not have taken time to post this and i am sure alot of others would not have posted if you sounded horrible.

Please dont give up, "that which dose not kill us makes us strong" and you are strong and you will come out of this stronger.

KateandtheGirls · 09/09/2004 18:02

Wonderful post Kimi

anorak · 09/09/2004 18:03

Kimi, you may not think you know essbee, but she did sleep in your tent at the summer party!

I agree, fantastic post, that's cos she's my cousin tho .

kimi · 09/09/2004 18:27

See essbee you must be a lovely person because anorak only mixes with the best.
I had no idea she knew you when i posted, just wanted to try a show support.
Hope you liked the tent!!!!!!

essbee · 09/09/2004 19:32

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WideWebWitch · 09/09/2004 20:11

Essbee, sorry you're so down, thinking of you too.

kimi · 09/09/2004 20:41

How are you feeling now essbee?
I hope you are feeling a bit more positive today.Thank you for not minding my post.

anorak · 09/09/2004 21:24

essbee and I have been chatting on the phone. She has gone to settle ds down to bed and says she will try and post later.

essbee · 09/09/2004 22:35

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JJ · 09/09/2004 22:48

I'm glad that there is something good going on for you.

Been thinking about you.

essbee · 10/09/2004 00:28

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earlygirl · 10/09/2004 00:40

essbee glad to hear you are feeling a little better enjoy your weekend with ff -dont let her lead you astray though love and light night xx ps dont lead her astray either she needs to be in top form for her hot date whenever that is(if beety allows her to go..)

earlygirl · 10/09/2004 00:45

ps horrible thoughts take a deep breath and ask them to go away politely not politely as you wish-try to use visualisation tecniques to find a nicer place for your mind- imagine yourself in a fave place/desert island or where ever and keep doing it and breathe deeply sounds simple but should help xxx

tigermoth · 10/09/2004 06:53

Hi essbee -

Glad you're feeling a little less alone. Hope you and FF have a good weekend.

Batters · 10/09/2004 08:46

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anorak · 10/09/2004 08:47

Morning essbee. I'm really looking forward to your visit

earlygirl · 10/09/2004 10:15

good morning essbee

Blu · 10/09/2004 11:09

I'm reading and following all this too, essbee, lurking in admiration for the strong and difficult decisions you have been forced to take this year. Other MN-er have voiced feelings which I share - hold on tight, and take care of yourself. XXXXX

corina · 10/09/2004 12:02

Thankyou Fio2 for acknowledging my post I was a bit miffed no one else did.It wasn't easy writing it and I was hoping it might help essbee.Next time I don't think I'll bother to try and help anyone again.I feel totally ignored.It's not a nice feeling when you've told your story.I don't think I'm the only one who feels ignored too.