To ask why people don't vaccinate their DC even though we know that it doesn't cause Autism?

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A 6 year old boy in Catalonia has died of Diphtheria. Why are people still anti-vaccinations?

Why? My SIL has not and is not vaccinating her DS. He's 14 months now and MIL is so worried.

It's believed that the vaccine for MMR may wear off in 20+ years time so that an outbreak of measles etc will occur on a large scale amongst the middle aged and the elderly.

It's believed by who? Can you link to some research?

OMG let's hope they've invented boosters by then. No, wait...

You do know that unvaccinated kids are not walking around just brimming with horrible diseases don't you?

Probably not all of them. But some of them do have some horrible diseases and will cause a serious illness in the very children who can withstand it least.

MrsTP

Because if you have a child with autism, you do a lot of reading on websites for parents with children with autism and you read a LOT (there are thousands) of stories, real first hand stories, of parents who gave their seemingly completely normally developing child the MMR and within hours their child became unresponsive, temperatures through the roof (one I remember of 106 degrees), and incredibly ill and from that day on suffered massive regressions.

I don't think vaccines cause autism. I think children are born with it. I think it's probably genetic. But some believe that autistic children are much worse affected by vaccines. Autism is a very mysterious condition. There are very strong links with "leeky gut syndrome" which many believe causes damage to the brain. Perhaps they think children with autism can't process the vaccination the same way as other children, just like they can't process certain foods the same way.

And I believe in some countries they did accept liability for damage to children caused by the MMR. I haven't looked into it but I read that in a couple of places - as a PP says, I am willing to be proved wrong!

Ultimately, if you have a child with autism, you will do anything to try to make sure your next child doesn't. Because you spend every day of your life wondering what caused it and if it was something you did and, until scientists find out what does cause it, you won't stop that worrying.

until scientists find out what does cause it, you won't stop that worrying.

I can't imagine the parents who think that vaccines are connected with autism are going to be convinced by science if scientists find what causes autism any more than they're convinced by science now.

Some scientists believe it. I can't provide research etc because I don't know anything about it, I've just heard about the mmr bomb and a poster asked what it was . Fwiw I'm pro vaccine, my dd is vaccinated and I chose to get myself vaccinated at 16 as my parents decided not to over the autism scare.

Wear off in 20 years time? So those who had it this year, like my DD, and those who had it 20 years ago like me, will wear off at the same time?

I'm pretty sure I had a booster 15 years ago too. Do I get a 5 year extension or is the end nigh for me all the same?

Can't get my head around anti vaxxers who are proud of not being "sheep". Cause not dying of polio is just too mainstream .

on why even if vaccinations caused/brought on autism, it would still be better to vaccinate. NSFW.

I don't know about your SIL's reasons, obviously you'd be better asking her, everyone has their own reasons (not me, I'm not anti-vax at all)! But I have a friend who is against vaccination because she believes vaccination caused her child's autism - his behaviour changed overnight. It would have been around the time of that dis-proven study as well, so at the time, it would have appeared that science supported her perception of the situation.

My nan didn't vaccinate my dad either, during the polio epidemic in the 1950s. Apparently, an early polio vaccine had actually caused polio in children, so it seemed risky when the new (safe) vaccine came in, and my nan didn't want to take the chance on her kids. Unfortunately, my dad contracted polio - he survived, but he has a withered leg and some related(?) problems - mobility issues, morbid obesity and diabetes.

I'd like to know if small pox or polio started making a resurgence (actually likely in the case of polio) would they vaccinate then?

To follow up on my previous post, I won't be giving my next child (I am pregnant) any vaccines until they are two years old.

I've given up artificial sweeteners, make-up, deodorant, all alcohol, caffeine, won't go near paint or any other chemicals, am scared of going to near microwaves or laptops, am scared of pollution in London - anything that some study somewhere has shown might have a link. I am PETRIFIED of my next child having autism. I am PETRIFIED that I gave my son autism.

Is any of this rational? No, probably not. But until you have a child with autism, please try not to judge other people's choices here. You will never know what it is like.

x-posted TRex sorry about your Dad.

I have no idea! I just know roughly what the mmr bomb means as someone asked. I don't know the ins and outs, I haven't researched it or agree with it, I'm pro vaccine. I only had mine 7 years ago though so I'm alright for a while

People realise that children used to die like flies in the days prior to vaccinations? That it wasn't uncommon for families to be decimated by measles, diphtheria etc? That mothers worried greatly every year when the warm weather came around as that's when the polio started to flare up again each year in the schools?
My son has ASD. He has had every vaccination due to him. I don't link his ASD to the vaccinations at all - I'm just glad that I haven't had to watch him die of what is nowadays a preventable illness, or suffer like many generations of woman before me through the loss of a child to disease.

I hear you Dimple - and I think it is CRIMINAL that a scientific "study" added to the guilt and fear of so may parents.

I really admire your approach - you are petrified, and yet you are dealing with this by just delaying a bit.

You sound like a great mum.

Abear sorry your measles aren't dangerous to most people,

Yes most peope aren't alergic to nuts but schools have no nut policy's so the one child that is can actually go to school and live without needing to go to hospital every day!

Measles aren't dangerous to most people - neither is chicken pox

my school year was the centre of a very strong strain of chicken pox, out of 25, 4 were in hospital, 8 or so of us very very ill. One even nearly died. My point being is you don't know if your child is one of those it's going to be dangerous too, or how strong the illness is going to be.

Thank you Wideopenspace, that is a really kind thing to say.

Genuine question here though.

I'm 40 something. Personally, I have absolutely no idea whatsoever if I'm 'vaccinated' and it's keeping diseases at bay. I had measles as a child ( I remember that) but fairly sure I have never had mumps. I did get the rubella vaccine as a 13 yr old.

I'm fairly fairly certain that vulnerable groups need to be worrying far more about the number of 'unvaccinated' adults walking around than about a small (and it is small) % of parents who have, for a myriad of reasons, chosen not to vaccinate their child/children.

I actually have had all the vaccines for both of mine - except for the MMR. I have my reasons (and they are valid). I will be giving them separate vaccines in due course. They will have the rubella at 13 like I did. Not as a baby. How bloody pointless.

I'm not for a minute saying i'm an anti vaxxed who is proud of not being a sheep. I'm saying, I've done my research. How many of the people spouting OMG YOU NEED TO GET VACCINATED LIKE YESTERDAY have actually done any research at all? The chemicals inside the MMR are shocking. The whole MMR thing is political. If it was about the vaccine, separate vaccines would be offered. The fact you cannot even get the Mumps vaccine in this country is a disgrace.

You will be very very hardpressed to find a parent of a child with autism that came on all of a sudden after the vaccine who is pro-vaccine. The change really is that dramatic. It happened to my brother. I've seen it for myself first hand. Nothing would persuade me to inject my offspring with it.

As someone up thread said, re the chickenpox vaccine. We don't offer it here and just make out it's a mild childhood disease. It isn't always. My son had it a month ago and oh my goodness, was it worrying. However, no one was on my FB condemning me for not having vaccinated him. (actually the only reason I hadn't was because I couldn't afford the ££ for it, or I would have done) . Yet I'm fairly sure that if either of mine came down with Measles, the reaction would be very much different. Yet, you can have had the measles vaccine and still get it anyway! Children can die from measles. Newsflash - more children worldwide die of chickenpox than measles, mumps and rubella combined

The politics around all of this issue is a disgrace imo.

I have 2 daughters, 1 has Aspergers, the other one is being assessed. I am married to a Biochemist & I have a career in Biochemistry myself. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE THIS! The genetic link is very strong & I found it fascinating following it through my husbands family history.

Having said that I paused before having DD2 have the MMR. I can see both sides.

I wish Autism was caused by a vaccine, it would be so easy to avoid, rather than the genetic mix up I am dealing with.

The media storm caused by this is infuriating, get your kids vaccinated!! My DD1 is allergic to penicillin, I see first hand how bugs take longer to get rid off & the meds taste revolting. They also don't work as well. The resistance to antibiotics is what keeps me awake at night.....

I have a 13yr old ds with aspergers
All my other ds's have been vaccinated on she due

Andrew Wakefield did his 'study' on 12 (?) Children at a bloody birthday party!!! (Without parental permission )

Schedule not she due

I remember agonising over the MMR and our DD started to show signs of autism within months of the vaccine. We only took her for her booster as next door's DD caught a severe bout of measles from a baby group at 5 months and so we were advised to go.

I know autism is very complex - DD had a very difficult birth and I felt pushed into signing forms to say I was happy when I was very ill and just wanted to get away from the place. Also, I know looking at DD and his parents and thinking of me and my dad and his dad that there is definitely a genetic link.

Interestingly re the MMR - I am 43 and I was not allowed the Measles/Mumps vaccine due to my eczema and wasn't allowed the whooping cough due to my asthma. Later I wasn't given the TB vaccine due to allergies and only allowed Rubella when my eczema had settled and I had gone through puberty. So the medical establishment and GPs must change in how they approach the vaccine issue. DD had all the vaccines and didn't seem to react at the time. I would say her lack at oxygen was a huge trigger in her issues.