To ask why people don't vaccinate their DC even though we know that it doesn't cause Autism?

[TheHouseOnBellSt]

www.thespainreport.com/16953/six-year-old-boy-with-diphtheria-in-catalonia-dies/

A 6 year old boy in Catalonia has died of Diphtheria. Why are people still anti-vaccinations?

Why? My SIL has not and is not vaccinating her DS. He's 14 months now and MIL is so worried.

AW's career was destroyed due to his lies.

You reap what you sow.

Forgive me if I don't give a fuck his career was destroyed.

"Unless the child catching the rubella happens to be unborn, Cote"

I didn't use that caveat because, as I hope you well know, there is no such thing as an "unborn child".

It goes like this:

Fetus - still in the womb
Child - newborn to puberty

"I read Dr AW's book years ago. I think his career was destroyed by journalists not doctors,"

Really? Nothing to do with falsifying results, dodgy financial dealings, doing tests on children without parental consent and being struck off then?

Well, I didn't, because my child who was being vaccinated had ALREADY benefitted from rubella vaccination, by not being exposed to rubella in utero due to the herd immunity conferred by the rubella vaccination programme.

If you like, we had taken out of the pot of common when I was pregnant with that child, and by getting the child vaccinated against rubella, we were paying back into it.

Simples.

Or so it looked to me, anyway.

(and yes, I know that since I was vaccinated it would all have been fine, but vaccines don't always work in everyone, thus there is no guarantee that I was immune, so thank you to herd immunity).

it has already been mentioned at least once, but has anyone noticed that there's no need for a smallpox vaccine now because there's no smallpox?

how did that happen if vaccines don't work?

BertrandRussell, you should read his book. Get his side of the story. he has been so demonised by the media and for The Greater Good. And yes, I stand by my earlier comment it was the media and not doctors who destroyed him.

.......so, people don't "give a fuck'' if his career was destroyed, and yet, there are clearly still parents out there who won't believe the government's assurances and who won't sacrifice their child for the sake of herd immunity!

So, don't bite my head off peeops. My children were vaccinated. But a more honest look at the whole thing is needed. As I said upthread, when we have autism experts telling us that autism is a down to epigenetics and we do not know yet which environmental factors switch on the genes for autism, then how can people with doubts be 100% reassured by the government's bullish insistence that there is no link??.

I wish they could be honest and say that it's harmless for 99,9999% of children but there is a risk for a small group but that we don't care if we sacrifice a few kids to autism to eliminate all the other childhood illnesses.

The government admit that vaccinations can result in diarrhoea and fever and vomiting and convulsions and maybe it is one of those side effects that ''switches on'' the gene for autism. The environmental factors that switch on the genes for autism aren't yet identified.

"BertrandRussell, you should read his book. Get his side of the story. he has been so demonised by the media and for The Greater Good. And yes, I stand by my earlier comment it was the media and not doctors who destroyed him."

I have read his book. Are you saying that the BMA were influenced by the media?

this is how reliable his book is

and here

the transcripts of the gmc trial

Why do you keep referring to the 'government' as if it's all a big conspiracy cooked up by the powers that be to keep the little guy in its place? The medical community (and in particular the General Medical Council) have thoroughly debunked AW's theories to the point of striking him off the medical register (something which is not done lightly, let me assure you). The government base their policies on recommendations made by real medics, and the research carried out by real scientists.
So it's frankly sensationalist rubbish to keep referring to it as all coming from the 'government'.

That's exactly what they DO say....vaccines are safe for 99.9 ad infinitum % of the population.

Whereas Wakefield lied.

I didn't actually think there was anyone left who still believed he didn't. It's like unearthing a creature you thought was long extinct. And we all know why extinction happens....

Or is that you, Andrew?

YOla, you've hit the nail on the head. It's harmless for nearly everyone and the few that are sacrificed in the process of wiping out the disease, they don't matter.

It's funny that we don't know what causes autism but we know with certainty that vaccination plays no part.

YOla, you've hit the nail on the head. It's harmless for nearly everyone and the few that are sacrificed in the process of wiping out the disease, they don't matter

Firstly those most likely to hurt by a vaccine are those that would have an even worse reaction to the original disease

and what about those that are sacrificed if we don't try and eliminate these diseases!

And why do people keep saying that anyone believes that vaccines are 100% safe? Nothing that works is 100% safe.

But lots of people have tried very hard to make a credible link between vaccines and autism. And there isn't one.

Cote there is simply no point discussing this with you. Nothing anyone says is going to make even the slightest dent in your decided opinion about Rubella and how it is only girls who need it as if vaccinating only half the population will eradicate a disease or that in every case a vaccination always takes.

bruffin, don't know if that's true or not that those hurt by the vaccine are those that would have had a worse reaction to the original disease. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. However, if that's correct, even more reason not to vaccinate, since you may never come across the disease.

"even more reason not to vaccinate, since you may never come across the disease."

Well, you won't, while other people keep vaccinating............

Thats why herd immunity is important.

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/ article on mitochondrial disease, dravets etc and vaccines]]

proper link

Bertrand, bruffin, I must admit that that makes me sound like someone who just won't bother vaccinating and rely on herd immunity, but I have a genuine moral objection to the people these vaccines are given to and when especially rubella, flu, mumps, but rubella most of all.

I can't be responsible for what others do, if they think vaccinating is the thing to do then that's up to them but I do expect it.

The issue is much more complex than that though, there are huge moral and ethical issues involved here, that, tbh, I don't think most people even think about.

We often make decisions for our children which, if they were older, they would have to give individual consent to. I am a great believer in "the greater good". And as someone else has pointed out, that baby may well have benefitted while in the womb from another child being vaccinated.

IT does annoy me that anti vvaxxers think those of us who are pro vaccination haven't made thoughtful informed decisions.........

There's also the issue that people can say, 'My child had an adverse reaction to a vaccination' but no one can ever say, 'This is my child who DIDN'T die in the last measles/smallpox/polio epidemic we DIDN'T have because of vaccination.'

I am just old enough to have a sort of memory about how worried my mother was about polio, and to have known children in callipers. And to have read articles about iron lungs in children's magazines.