To ask why people don't vaccinate their DC even though we know that it doesn't cause Autism?

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A 6 year old boy in Catalonia has died of Diphtheria. Why are people still anti-vaccinations?

Why? My SIL has not and is not vaccinating her DS. He's 14 months now and MIL is so worried.

People can be informed about the subject and still take a different viewpoint Bert. You might not understand it, but that doesn't make it less valid. You chose the risk of vaccine damage instead of the risk of the illness, but if other people want to choose differently for their own children, they can.

My dcs have had most of their vaccinations, there are some they can't have due to existing medical problems

I dont have a medical reason beyond seeing my oldest child nearly die. I'm told it probably wouldn't happen to my other kids. Probably isn't good enough for me. I am not ignorant or stupid. I'm probably far better informed of the risks of both courses of action than most people I know who vaccinated because they were told too by a letter.

I am slowly reading through twt.

On Immunity - An Inoculation
by Eula Biss

everyone should read.

I have vaccinated my children. However if somebody has made a decision not to vaccinate because they believe it could be harmful then I respect that. The herd immunity argument I also get but if someone feels that a vaccination will potentially harm their own child then other peoples kids with low immunities won't even be on their radar because they will put the safety of their own child first which is understandable.

I've noticed how this anti-vaccination thing has expanded from the MMR triple vax (initially it was thought single ones were safer) to any or all vaccinations. How did that happen?
Even vitamin injections -some have been turning down Vit K for newborns.

What were the signs from birth kickassangel?

wow I didn't k ow about the narcolepsy. can someone link?

Dds have had all regular childhood vaccinations. I didn't however do the flu swine flu vax due and I will be researching the hpv vaccination before agreeing to it when dd get the letter in a few years

Some of you pseudo scientists haven't got a clue what you are talking about. risk and bad science are used as clubs to beat those who have assessed the personal risk. As of 2015, risk of contracting measles and dying from it? Pretty much zero. The risk of having MMR? About 90% if parents are 'informed', zero if not. Risk of having a terrible reaction to MMR? Unknown as reactions are often met with the very clever 'correlation/causation' bs but almost definitely higher than dying from measles if you care to familiarise yourself with Cdc figures which tend to be much more reliable than the UK yellow card. so don't talk to me about risk and probability until you have a good grasp on it yourselves. Uneducated is a pretty stupid accusation too.

Great post oneineight!

I vaccinated but see it as a necessary evil really, just don't like the chemicals being injected into tiny bodies and I do have fear somewhere inside that something could happen despite the science that says otherwise.

I do wonder though, while ASD has been documented for many years, why there is a definite, very considerable increase in people with it now? It is not just a case of it not being diagnosed.

bestmunch the risks are pretty much zero because of vaccination and herd immunity. Your point is?

And to the poster Sofa I think it was saying people were selfish for thinking their own children are more important than anyone else's, what a ridiculous statement! Of course all parents think their child is more important than anybody else and it would be strange if they didn't. I did vaccinate but I did it for my kids as I thought it would be best for them. Sorry but other peoples kids didn't even factor in my decision which I imagine is just the same for the anti vacc parents.

Even if vaccines did cause autism (I don't believe they do) isn't that preferable to painful and probably fatal illness?

mikado the research is on my desk at work not here so cant link to it, but generally ASD and autism diagnoses have plateued since the late 90s and arent rising. Diagnosis methods improved dramatically in the early 90s and onwards.

A question to those who don't vaccinate as I am genuinely curious...

My DS was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 3. One of the first questions we were asked was whether every close relative was fully vaccinated for his protection. DD was 9 months old at the time and immediately had the chicken pox vaccine so she hopefully wouldn't catch it and pass it on to DS, for example.

Clearly the diseases against which we vaccinate can easily be fatal for the immune-compromised. Where would you draw the line? The risk of vaccine damage? Or the risk of death / serious complications to your immune-compromised child?

my point is that the risk is pretty much zero, regardless of cause. in response to the posters banging on about poor risk analysis amongst non vaxxers

Risk of having measles and dying is definitelty not zero. For adults and the imnune suppressed it is quite high. People have died of it in the last few years.

Risk of deafness/infertility with mumps also still high. And I have met toddlers who have congenital rubella and are deafblind.

And MMR is just one vaccine/immunisation which is at issue here. Consequences of dipthyria, polio, smallpox, tetanus, meningitis...not so nice either. Even if you live.

Nearly 18 years of vaccinating children and NEVER come across a child allergic to components of any vaccine, neither have I heard of any other Practice Nurse (access to well used national forum) coming across this.
The only reason not to vaccinate a child is PREVIOUS ANAPHYLAXIS to that vaccine, so there are no medical conditions which exclude a child from being vaccinated, no even immunosupression (excluding live vaccines in this group).
I have nothing further to add to this thread despite the nature of my profession. I no longer try to persuade parents to vaccinate as they do not listen, I merely give them the facts so that I can document that they have made an INFORMED decision not to vaccinate their children. I do correct any misconceptions/blatant untruths

lady who has died of measles in the UK in the last few years? answer? none. how many suffering permanent vaccine damage? more than none.

takemetars you are being disingenuous. lots of people have adverse reactions to vaccines beyond anaphylaxis. were you oblivious to that over 18 years? scary!

Thanks ladydegrump, I know diagnosis much better but say, I have probably met 6 children with asd in the last year-all 6 were quite obviously ASD but when I look back, I can't think of people that must have been simply undiagnosed growing up. I met nobody with those behaviours and I know a lot of people would say the same. Now they are saying 1-6 in the US, could this be? And surely that is a massive increase from the past, even taking non-diagnosis into account.

but its because people were vaccinated munchkin. pseudo-science..... if the cap fits

take

there have been posters here who's kids have an egg allergy and either had some vax given in.hospital or refused them as they contained egg derivatives