To ask why people don't vaccinate their DC even though we know that it doesn't cause Autism?

[TheHouseOnBellSt]

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A 6 year old boy in Catalonia has died of Diphtheria. Why are people still anti-vaccinations?

Why? My SIL has not and is not vaccinating her DS. He's 14 months now and MIL is so worried.

Don't worry raging my kids are vaccinated.

doesn't mean I can't sympathise with people genuinely fearful though. It's not a choice I made fir mine but I can understand why people are sometimes skeptical

Could anyone point me in the direction of some reliable and trusted source of information online which I can give MIL? Something to educate her on why SIL has chosen this way and something to offer MIL to educate SIL if she chooses to offer the link.

I'm not interfering but MIL keeps coming to me to rant and worry.

she's breastfeeding people.

The gauntlet has been thrown.......step away from the debate......

Who is breastfeeding?

There isn't any, House, because it's all scaremongering.

Babies have died from not yet having vaccines and being exposed.

That's the truth.

The rest is a bunch of bull.

You could google Arnica group or The informed parent, there's lots of different strands you can follow on from there.

Mind you, all those people that have the vaccine shouldnt be worried, coz guess what, you wont get it! therefore I have no idea why you should be so nasty to those who dont want to!

abearcalledpaddington,

I hope you never have the sheer misfortune of bringing your un-vaccinated children in contact with an immuno-suppressed infant.

If that ever happened, I hope you'd have the decency to feel like an utter arsehole.

Teen I had to google the answer to check mine - I was so wrong! What a great puzzle, I am ashamed that I was so far out

Because after her 2nd set of vaccines DD1 had a really serious reaction (not sure why), her temperature went dangerously high and she had breathing difficulties. She had to be hospitalised - where they had to send for the emergency recussitation team more than once - and then they thought she might not survive that night. They advised me not to give her the third set.

I got very, very scared and as a result she never had any more and DD2 is entirely unvaccinated. Not a decision I took lightly and now they are teens I've been very clear that they can choose at any time to have all or none of the vaccines they've missed, with no pressure one way or the other from me.

People who say "those who don't vaccinate are ignorant and stupid" or similar really don't help. Not everyone is just jumping on a bandwagon. I don't think it's ignorant or stupid not to vaccinate if you've watched your child nearly die through them.

Herd immunity argument makes me
Mad. Feels like the non vaxer has arrogant sense that it is ok for my Child to take the risk that they perceived was to great for their own child to protect them.

Leaving aside medical/allergies, nonvaccinators are breathtakingly entitled

Some people don't vaccinate because there are genuine medical reasons why they shouldn't.

Many others are selfishly relying on herd immunity to keep their child safe whilst ensuring their child is not 'at risk' from the rare side effects of some vaccines.

However this breaks down when enough people don't vaccinate and thus herd immunity is no longer there. Sadly, this then effects not only the selfish, but the unfortunate families who genuinely can't vaccinate.

Of course i have, and i don't feel like an arsehole because most of my friends children are not vaccinated either, and the ones that are know how i feel and either just don't talk about it or don't care.

You do know that unvaccinated kids are not walking around just brimming with horrible diseases don't you?

Calloha It's surprising isn't it? 'Common sense' tells you a different answer. Which is why you shouldn't rely on common sense when probability and risk are involved.

Herd immunity is a lie. If it works then it works, end of.

It doesn't work, so they lie to you.

One unvaccinated kid goes somewhere exotic on holiday.
Brings back a disease that we don't have here due to vaccination.
Could run through a school of hippie non-vaccinated children like wildfire.

lie about what?

abear Please read 'Bad Science' by Malcolm Gladwell.

expecting anything to be 'proven to be totally safe' shows a total lack of understanding of risk. NOTHING is totally safe.

there are reasons for some children not to be vaccinated. But for the general population the vaccines are less risky than the disease.

But are you vaccinated against everything?

You do know they dont last forever?

Have you had boosters?

What about your parents or grandparents?

Measles incidence graph at end

Measles isn't dangerous to most people, i had it as a kid, and most other things. I'm going to assume that your DC will be put on their fronts to sleep, not given car seats and weaned from 10 weeks. Because, you know, we all were and we're all still here. Or, are you informed enough to understand statistical risk related to cars, SIDS and food and it's just disease you don't understand?

If all you 'pro' vaccine militants are so sure that vaccines work, why are you concerned about those children who are not vaccinated?

Oh yes. That's right. because vaccines don't work.

My son has had his vaccines from being a baby. Whooping cough included.

He got Whooping Cough 4 weeks ago and was hospitalised. He was very very poorly. Even the paed shrugged and said, yes but they are not 100% effective.

All parents weigh up the risk. Frankly, I'm more concerned by the sheer amount of sheep parents who take their children for the MMR like it's a mandatory needle with no consideration whatsoever for what is contained within it.

I wouldn't give my dog that much of a jab in one go, never mind a 1 yr old baby.

In 20 years time when the MMR bomb goes off, I'll try not to be nodding and thinking hmmm...

What MMR bomb Blazing?

If all you 'pro' vaccine militants are so sure that vaccines work, why are you concerned about those children who are not vaccinated? Because of kids with cancer, kids with allergies and kids for whom the vaccines weren't 100% effective. For pregnant women, for older, sick people, for people who the vaccine has worn off. For my child, who is having her next round late because she reacted last time. We need herd immunity so that children don't DIE who actually can't have vaccines.

Vaccines don't work 100% of the time. That's not a secret. Children can, rarely, be vaccine damaged, that's not a secret. But vaccines save millions of lives. Millions of lives aren't damaged by vaccines. Or did you enjoy polio?