Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

what do you think Michelle Mone should be charged with? I think she’s vile and the company she was linked to which supplied PPE was being sued but I don’t know which offences she could be charged with, if any. Also the police do not publish the results of their investigations.

I do not at all think the tories are uniquely corrupt- all political parties have had their share of these scandals and it does us a disservice to pretend otherwise

The Tories have had far more than their share and it does us all a disservice to pretend that we can't do any better as a country.

Every party has some rogues and been tainted with sleaze at one time but the Tories have turned it into a fine artform over past 5 years. They have adopted the Trump strategy of when caught in a bare faced lie just keep lying & and pretend that we are seeing things.

I would bet (can i say that lol) that the Tories in past 5 years were involved in more scandals than all the other political parties combined.

Even today Sunak refusing to answer a simple question of whether he told one of his MP's date of election, simple yes or no answer but tried to lie his way out of it. Last night during debate he was just spewing forth lie after lie and the Tories even changed their homepage to look like a genuine tax tax checker website to substantiate his false claims.

If they get back in power again then God help us all.

labour haven’t been in power for ages - they’ve had no recent opportunities for corruption! But they have still had their share of scandals - betting, racism, misogyny, antisemitism… We will start to find out which of them will exploit their power for financial gain once they are in office.

They should go to jail ... all of them and removed from public office.

The corruption of the tory party

Guava - what? Who? Even if they have committed no crime?

We don’t jail people just because we disagree with their policies in this country!!

Of course it's illegal.

They are not above the law and have immunity in public office.

People vote for Farage as they tired of this kind of politics.

Guava- it’s not clear who you are talking about or what ‘it’ is. I thought you were suggesting that that all Tory mps should be imprisoned when you said ‘the whole lot of them’.

Which ones were gambling with insider info? All I heard of was betting for or against themselves and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Then you haven't read the news. The Tory insiders betting on the election date has been a big story for the past week.

Although Tories need us to believe that no one acts with integrity and that we cannot expect politicians to have any principles or abide by any kind of professional or ethical code- that's not actually the case. It benefits the Tories to drive down standards and encourage cynicism and apathy, but we can expect better of those in office.

They are not all the same. We can have better than the hopeless corruption and failure we've had under the Tory government these past fourteen years. We can have politicians who behave with some basic level of decency. Not in the current incarnation of the Tory party, obviously. But it's not true that everyone else is as sleazy and hopeless as they are, even if Tories are desperate for us to believe that.

I think the poster was talking about labour there in response to another post saying they're all the same.

I don't like the party but I'm more fearful of certain factions of the labour party gaining influence.

And here we have it, ladies and gentlemen. A fine example of a skill perfected by the Tory government and continued by their followers/ staff. Gaslighting the general public by pretending that there's been nothing to see here for the past 14 years. All is bad as each other mutter mutter, no actual crime mutter mutter, fraud, what fraud mutter mutter. Move along here.

What really is the point in engaging with people like this? Roll on July 5th.

Anyone who is still stupid enough to vote Tory is so brainwashed they’ll never change - only the diehards who would vote for a chimpanzee in a blue rosette are left

So this is not a uniquely conservative trait and it amuses me that people think it is. Angela Raynor - say no more.

That aside…

1. no one has been proven guilty. I do believe in due process. Even the labour guy shouldn’t have been told to stand aside. There seems to be great collective enthusiasm for stringing people up alive
2. gambling is legal even if unsavoury….
3. …nonetheless this showed huge error in judgement. Betting on when your boss might call an election - even if legal, you had no inside track - just doesn’t pass the smell test. So you don’t do it

And yet I find myself unable to see why I should vote for labour. Your argument is somewhat reductive and stupid in its own right (ironically)

Oops sorry, there is so much Tory deflection and disingenuousness I'm seeing it everywhere now!

Stupid & reductive "Raynor- say no more"

Rayner.

It is interesting that your response to the Tory betting scandal is to point out what others have done wrong and how that is worse - that is not the same as holding your party to account.
I think the party as a whole would do better from this scandal to own its mistakes and say yes, we have behaved appallingly and then didn't try to dismiss it by immediate deflection.

That's arguable.

More 'regrettable' behaviour from the MP concerned here:

May 2023
A parliamentary investigation upheld a complaint against a Labour MP [Liam Bryne] for using expenses to help his failed bid to become West Midlands mayor.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65694307

October 2023
The ICGS concluded last year that Byrne had ostracized a former assistant following a minor office dispute. Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Kathryn Stone said it “was malicious behavior that involved a significant misuse of power.” At the time Byrne said he was “profoundly sorry.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-parliament-pays-out-thousands-in-bungling-bullying-probe/

So who to vote for ?
If we’ve been living beyond our means for decades (and I’ll remind you that the Conservatives have been in power for the vast majority of the 20th century) surely we give someone else an opportunity, not just vote for the same old same old.
No one is ‘erasing women’, tell us about the great strides the Conservatives have made regarding women’s rights (apart from hating single mothers, women who work, educated women who aren’t having enough children…)

Fighting like cats in a bag the Tory apologists. We knew they would as GE day got nearer.

Hey Clav, nice bit of whataboutery there. You're still searching for something to match all the Tory crud that's still ongoing, I see.