Labour Party and gender

[Mobley52]

I've seen quite a few threads where people have said they would not vote for Labour because of their stance on gender.

Would somebody be able to explain in simple terms why this is please

Many thanks

Affirmative transitioning may well be conversion therapy of gay people. You seem to be happy to accept that kind of conversion therapy as a risk you're willing to take.

Please understand that this concern has nothing to do with persuading people they aren't trans but a desire to prevent children (and adults) being put on a medical pathway which can lead to infertility, sexual dysfunction and life long health problems, if it is not necessary.

i agree with you. the issue on the therapy is the repress or cure. so if the therapist is going ‘trans is a lie you’re just x or y’ that’s conversion therapy.

speaking to the child about why they feel a way and finding healthy ways to cope while underage is not the same. speaking to a child with compassion and not with your own opinions clouding your words.

so as the picture shows if your therapy has the aim to stop them being trans or speaking on their own gender identity then it’s conversion therapy.

i already stated how trans-ing the gay away is conversion therapy. which is covered under conversion therapy definition!!!

so no not once did i say or imply that.

speaking to the child about why they feel a way and finding healthy ways to cope while underage is not the same. speaking to a child with compassion and not with your own opinions clouding your words.

But therapists have said they won't even want to do this, due to the risk they get accused of actual conversion therapy. That's the problem. The ban creates a culture of fear.

Essentially, the therapist has not yet exhausted all other possibilities.

But no doubt exhausting those possibilities in an effort to find an alternative explanation for the person's gender dysphoria would be considered conversion therapy.

so we should just allow potentially dangerous people to use conversion therapy on kids because some therapists are worried they will get accused of conversion therapy?

Wait, so are you saying that any therapist who treats trans patients must believe in gender identity?

Please note that on the lower portion of that image it says that activities which may look like traditional counselling, such as psychotherapy, and withholding puberty blockers can be considered illegal.

There are parents who have been imprisoned or had their children removed for advocating a watchful waiting approach.

I think it's possible you are naïve about how trans conversion therapy bans are actually working out.

no? why do you constantly put words into others mouths? i’m saying no matter their opinion on gender ideology they shouldn’t be pushing for either end.

Who's actually doing that? Bearing in mind there have been MASSIVE issues with psychologists using affirmative therapy only, and transing away the gay, I'd say that at present, the risk is more that gay children will be subject to conversion therapy.

Watchful waiting, as per FOJN's posts, is far more sensible for children with gender distress. We shouldn't be transitioning kids on any way, shape or form.

I do not condone dangerous conversion therapy. I find transing away the gay abhorrent, and there's plenty of evidence of that having taken place.

We need to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bearing in mind so much of the statute book is shoddily written, I can't trust Labour to get the legislation right (look at the GRA / EqA issues, for a start).

i agree with the watchful approach with exceptions. allowing them to use their pronouns and name is not anywhere near in the same league as medical intervention.

Have you read the Cass report? Social transitioning is NOT a neutral act. Labour have committed to fully implementing the Cass report. Square that circle!

sorry am i supposed to agree with every single thing Labour is committing to?

im explaining my opinions not what labour policy is.

Even Labour can't explain what Labour policy is.

That’s the issue

So you don't care about the Cass report then?

I think my frustration with the Labour Party is that the issue is actually not that important to them but they think it's a vote winner with younger people. Their lack of interest results in poorly thought out, incoherent policy which is unforgivable given what is at stake.

i agree with parts and disagree with others.

Which parts do you disagree with?

What are your qualifications? What research have you done?

the omitting of the increase in suicides is a big one

Dr Hilary Cass is a well respected paediatrician. The Cass report was commissioned in 2020, there was an interim report in 2022 and a final report this year. She is a serious woman who seems to have done a thorough job.

Could you clarify what you mean?

Where's your solid statistical evidence for both this and causation of it?