Women voting for Labour?

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To wonder why women would be voting for Labour when they support trans rights over women's rights? I am concerned we are going to descend even further into all of this 'woke' madness and it is women who bear the brunt.

Starmer has back peddled on the self ID policy all of a sudden before the election, shock, but we can't trust that.

I certainly won't be voting for the Tories and can't bring myself to vote Labour for many reasons. Where does that leave disillusioned voters?

Same end goal. Again, apologies if you're genuine. I just don't know anyone who thinks like this in real life so I'm finding it all a little unbelievable.

I don't for a second think that everyone who criticises Labour is a Tory. No political party is above criticism.

I do believe that the near daily posts from new usernames who are totally left-leaning Labour voters but who just can't possibly vote Labour this time are an attempt to sway votes to minimise Tory losses.

Not a genuine attempt at discussion.

OP still hasn't described what she means by woke.

I'm working and don't have time to be reading detailed policies - plus I will absolutely not be giving them traffic.

In your own words, a sentence or two. One policy that will help women. Go on.

You seem to care a great deal with all the alias's you're slinging at me. Yes we can have our own political opinions, that's the whole point of this thread. However, throwing labels at someone in an attempt to discredit them isn't having an opinion is it....

I don't want to minimise Tory losses. They have been dreadful and deserve to lose horribly.

What, even the ones who are waking around naked with their willies hanging out. AKA men?

@WomensRightsRenegade If anything tells me you’re a privileged white middle class woman, probably living in affluence in the south east that is it. Nothing else matters, crikey. Let’s hope your female daughter never has to rely on the criminal system eh ?

What "alias's"?

So you ask about policies then say you don't have the time to read them. Imagine being wilfully ignorant and still wanting to debate. You should read them when you do have the time, then come back to me on why you think they won't help people.

My god, those Reform policies are terrifying to me. And the cost estimates are wrong, just plain wrong - even I can see and calculate that for some of them.

40,000 more frontline police offers is alone going to cost the best part of £4bn per year, I reckon. If you factor in wages, training, uniforms, extra building capacity, extra busines ssupport function capacity (finance, IT, HR), extra management of them, extra vehicles etc. And they only costed £3bn for all police reforms.

It's cuckoo land stuff, to me.

Not when you are saving vast sums in other areas.

No. But they might scare small girls who shouldn't be subjected to an adult penis in a changing room. It's outright paedophilic.

Where are the savings going to come from then? I mean, redoing all sex education along the lines of Nouveaux Section 28, aka 'Don't Mention the T Word' isn't going to save much.

Preventing immigration, i.e. bringing it down to zero is also going to cost, not save.

Don't forget raising the tax free amount to £20k so we'll have vastly less tax revenue coming in. None of the finances make sense.

Not when you are saving vast sums in other areas.

Those savinggs are not there.

The only 2 areas close to savings are...

1. Scrap diversity training etc. No way is that delivering £1bn+ in savings. In 2022 the Met Police had a request to divulge their spend in this area which came to £338k over 3 years. Let's be generous and give some extra to allow for CoL increases and supposse they now spend £500k over 3 years. That's £166k per year. They are the largest force of 45 in the UK so might be expected to spend the most in this area, but let's still be geneorus and assume all forces spent the same. That's £7.5m per year. No where near the £1bn that would be needed to make up the shortfall for this single policy of 40,000 officers alone.
2. Scrap or reform PCCs. If they scrapped them, maybe there is a saving there - but they don't say this. They say scrap or give them MORE power. So not really fair to bank on a saving when, in fact, it could end up costing more.

Everything else in this area is increased cost or cost neutral (at best. The £3bn doesn't stack up.

There is more to this election than the subject of transrights.

No idea why naked bodies are frightening ...

But thats not the point. Why would anyone need to see a naked body. You are in a cubicle?

Housing illegal immigrants in hotels has cost 1.3bn a year! Not to mention the strain on other services.

Because as others have said whilst I am gender critical for me this one issue is way below other things like the NHS, education, having a humane and legal immigration policy, children’s mental health, water companies etc. I could go on.

I am not going to refuse to vote for a very credible party who can finally bring about change from 14 years of utter incompetence, bigotry and stealth privatisation because of this.

I also think that everyone’s thought processes are evolving on trans issues and I have confidence that Labour will come out in about the right place here- unlike the Tories who are so keen to be seen as “anti-woke” that they are spouting off increasingly bizarre and unworkable policies which will literally never be enacted (national service? Kemi Badenoch completely unable to say which “certificate” or paperwork will govern a person’s sex on the radio).

I'm not a fan of Starmer but I'm voting Labour (as I always have done) in the hope that they'll invest in the NHS, invest in public services, help to support those living in poverty, address climate change issues - the list goes on.
I'm sorry but for me and many other women, we really couldn't care less about the trans issue. It doesn't even make my top 100 list of concerns. I also don't think the Conservatives help women in any way whatsoever.

Going to be honest I have never seen a penis in a female changing room (nor do I want to). I have never a nursed a trans person.
I have seen folk using food banks, a huge increase in the homeless, witnessed a gradual deterioration in public services, personally seen faeces in a once clean sea.
I’m not on board with gender self ID but equally I’m not sure that the vilification of all trans people is great either. Some of the rhetoric is abysmal and seems more to be just a general distaste for these individuals, pretty much like gay folk were seen in the 70s.