Women voting for Labour?

[bearsbritches]

To wonder why women would be voting for Labour when they support trans rights over women's rights? I am concerned we are going to descend even further into all of this 'woke' madness and it is women who bear the brunt.

Starmer has back peddled on the self ID policy all of a sudden before the election, shock, but we can't trust that.

I certainly won't be voting for the Tories and can't bring myself to vote Labour for many reasons. Where does that leave disillusioned voters?

Apparently there’s no such thing as gender or trans issues round here, it’s all about women’s rights. Allegedly.

Neither of these are on women's rights, they're on gender.

Women's rights are being decimated when any man pops on a dress and takes the opportunities set aside for women, when rapists are housed in women's prisons cells, when women are being turned away from rape crisis centres because they've asked specifically for a female counsellor.
When girls at schools are becoming dehydrated because they restrict drinking water because there are no single sex loos, when Muslim women are self-excluding from the workplace because they need absolute 💯 certainty they can ablute before prayer without a male that's not family present, when girls are self-excluding from contact sports because a transgirl has joined the opposing team.
When women are thrown out of breast-feeding support groups because they object to men joining? (Even the most deluded know that transwomen can't breastfeed).

Please explain why these issues aren't women's rights without attacking with slurs?

This is after all MumsNet, the primary focus of this forum is for mothers and children.

Totally agree.

Not attacking with slurs. I just don't consider the document shared to be giving detail on womens rights, it is on gender.

I would also like to see the sum and total for the 67 million people and 30-however-many million women who live on this island, how many have experienced these specific issues you mention. I have never heard of any biological man joining a breast feeding group, why would they?

Let's not extrapolate specific instances reported in the Daily Mail to more of a focus than the very real issues women face every time they leave home, visit a doctor, go to work. This is what I don't agree with.

@CharlotteB94

I would also like to see the sum and total for the 67 million people and 30-however-many million women who live on this island, how many have experienced these specific issues you mention. I have never heard of any biological man joining a breast feeding group, why would they?

Because these men have fetishes - it is called autogynaephillia. From what I've read there are 5 stages, the first being cross-dressing and the arousal that men get from that, with the most extreme cases being men who want to emulate the bodily functions of actually being a woman. Ie taking chemicals to induce secretion of some sort of liquid from their chests to feed their female partners babies. There are other sorts of things such as faking childbirth, taking out used tampons etc from sanitary bins and re-using them.

Here's an article on the breast-feeding

web.archive.org/web/20240613110914/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/01/breastfeeding-la-leche-league-suspends-trustees-trans-women/

Ok, but again I'd like to know how many people in the UK are actually autogynephilists, I'm pretty sure it's going to be rare seeing as I've never ever heard of it? There are all kinds of freaky people out there with bizarre and creepy behaviours and fetishes belonging to a C4 documentary but that doesn't make me genuinely concerned and fearful on a daily basis that I'm going to come across one of them.

Again, I wouldn't base my vote for a political party on something so niche or let that keep me up at night..