Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

GPs used to generally work full time. Now most seem to only do part time hours, some as little as one or two sessions a week. "Family friendly" you know! We should have doubled the number of training places back in the 90s when it was obvious that large numbers of trainees were intending to work only part time!

26 years ago GPs worked 5 days a week 9-5. Everything was paper notes, nothing was done at home, lunch breaks were taken, hospital clinics saw patients and managed them until ready to go to GP. Patients sadly died of preventable illnesses. A GP job now and particularly since Covid is spent picking up a lot of hospital work that is devolved back to GPs, managing a lot of very complex patients, doing lots more preventative work, as well as the usual on the day demand. A day is 10 hours and then extra. So a 3 day a week GP is working 30-36 hrs. Plus GPS are required to do other work to support local services.
So my work today on a non work day, so I've been no where near my surgery has been attending a meeting to work out increasing appointments across the area, meeting with my trainee and I've just spent 2 hours signing prescriptions and am now wondering how long it will take me to look at 113 lab results. (3-4 hours)
It's not very family friendly!

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

You denied you'd said Therefore, if the doctors are unhappy with their pay - get another job

Are you backtracking now?

@Suncream123 is correct. The money coming into GP, funds other healthcare workers. Pharmacists to do all the extra work we are tasked to do to get patients onto statins, paramedics, PAs. (Both of who need supervision) No new money for GPs. A lot of the work being done in GP is additional to what we were doing 5 years ago. All good preventative stuff but takes away from the see and treat bit of the job which patients want.

What do you mean 'by the back door' @DistinguishedSocialCommentator ?

That is what's happening. Do you not want any doctors in the UK?

This is why retention is important.

In your police example the experienced older copper would know from that experience what in a particular situation would constitute reasonable force. Unfortunately the government in its infinite wisdom decided to let go of many of those experience officers as a result of its austerity policies. Some people are now surprised that the quality of policing has declined as had public and police officer safety. I gather the Tories are planning average cuts of 13% on non-protected departments in the unlikely event they win the GE. I can't recall whether policing is protected, certainly significant parts of the criminal justice system are not, which will only make the problems you describe worse.

not sure what you are saying I expect I am not alone in having thought that on this thread.

FYI - I don't employ them, directly, fact!!

I do employ all public sector workers, indirectly, fact!! IE, I am a taxpayer

No I don't want anyone in a job that is striking which results in hospital waiting lists shooting up

I thought it was a sign that what followed was something other than true?

I disagree with your comments completely and I've seen on tv many younger officers as well doing a fantastic job!!

Its the door that is used to bring in the suitcases of booze.

So you are disappointed by the governments consistent refusal to talk to the representatives of junior doctors?
FACT!

I disagree with your comments completely

I am delighted to hear that.

They'll have to pay doctors a lot more if the nhs is privatized like in the USA

No they won't. Its your insurance that'll be paying. I think health insurance is a major deduction from your pay (if your employer has a health care scheme)

Except that's not true in your case

You have posted before about how you were unhappy at work, how it made you stressed, and instead of putting up and shutting up or leaving you decided because the job suited you to stay and make a fuss, use the legal means available to you to get what you wanted.

And yet here you are outraged at junior doctors doing the same

Very much "I got what I wanted so everyone else can shut up"

That's a shame. A waste of that life experience of yours.

@BigFatLiar the nhs can be privatized without having to use health insurance. It just means that the nhs trust would be sold to eg virgin healthcare and they would be paying them to run it and offer services to the public free at the point of access instead of employing and running the service themselves. Virgin or whoever would promise the world to get the contact then ask for more and more which they'd have to pay or the public doesn't get treatment.

😂
Did the number of people calling you 'Kate's bestie' and taking the piss out of your sycophantic posts on the Royal Family board not give you the hint that you aren't really respected as a sensible opinion round here?

fact

I'm in - sounds like a lot of fun 😂😂

I'm sitting here idly wondering if anyone has bothered to count how many times @DistinguishedSocialCommentator has written the word FACT! on this thread.

Some of the FACTS have sadly been deleted so we will never know....

94 FACT

They keep repeating this idea that Labour may just scrape through into government if they form a coalition.

And that just about sums up their knowledge and understanding of FACTS.

Can we guarantee that no offices will be hurt in the process?

I'll do my best to be gentle, but can't make any promises 😅