Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

I honestly don't think labour are going to change the trajectory of the nhs
JDs are heading to Australia/NZ/canada because they are burnt out and demoralised.
Yes there are doctors coming into the U.K. to train but they will not necessarily stay. I train GPs. There are no posts. A lot are international graduates with family scattered across the world. They are happy to work anywhere. Why would they stay in U.K.
The current trajectory is non doctors doing the work (search X and other social media for PA and AA posts) and consultants supervising. Currently these non doctors get more money than a JD.
Why any young person would want to go into medicine now is a mystery. They are not valued by nhs managers, the government or a lot of the general public.

Bit..., todays JDs are tomorrows consultants. They need to be valued

I strongly recommed people have a look at the raiton of doctors per one hundred thousand people in England Vs the EU nations and you will see that we are not the best, but definitely not the worse

The doctors should not be striking for 5 days and there is a good reason why the Ttoires are not caving in atm - BUT they will, soon and before the strikes and importantly before the GE as it just makes sense, political sense!!!

@MrsJackThornton I was thinking possibly a 'voice' from a writer with too much time on their hands and a slightly twisted sense of humor.

The self parody is strong.

Many years ago I wanted a job where I could drive my sports car to, park in or close to the workplace, able to work in the office and go out for visits and be back home by 4/5pm and not work weekends and a wage that we acceptable to me and a relatively easy job as far as jobs go.

It's a bloody good job that not everyone is keen to have an easy job which means they can be home by 4/5pm , don't work weekends and can park close to the workplace.

If that was the case there would be no doctors or NHS workers at all.

doctors per one hundred thousand people in England Vs the EU nations and you will see that we are not the best, but definitely not the worse

We are fourth worst.

That would explain why the spelling is erratic and not consistent because they clearly lose character sometimes

Proofreading the draft would be like assessing Les Dawson's piano exams.

Not another one of these posts from this OP. "DistinguishedSocialCommentator"? I beg to differ. "Tory mouthpiece" would be more appropriate.

Disgruntled Tory Mouthpiece if you please??

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@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

I can't see where I mentioned labour.

The doctors have had their pay eroded for multiple years, not just 3. They are extremely highly educated aged and skilled. They were the ones working hardest through the pandemic and the ones risking their lives. What other professions have or haven't had is irrelevant. Why shouldn't doctors have their pay restored?

"pay erroed and not just for three years"

REAF MY POST again - I clearly stated millions of public sector workers had their pay FROZEN for three years and like all public sector workers, had their pay erroded it well below inflation - its NOT just the docs but all public sector workers

Oh no, what did kate's bestie say to get deleted? Massive FOMO!!

Has what is meant by a fact changed while I was out today?

The more appropriate question is can we afford not to pay them?

Oddly there was a government minister going on last week about inflation falling and wages were increasing almost as if them telling us last year that wage increases would fuel inflation was bollox.

I think there is a huge difference between doctors and other public sector workers. The latter can go and work elsewhere with ease. And in fact, there will be a queue of people willing to backfill.

Doctors not so much on account of being, well, slightly more specialised.

I would vote for anyone offering them £20 vs £15 p/h.
it’s unbelievable that NMW was increased (over the same time period -significantly) but healthcare is seen as whining. Pay people properly and stop subsiding via UC. It’s not fucking rocket science! Everyone is feeling the pinch, but pay everyone properly and you recoup that in more tax.

My DM (80+) had an overhanging tree in her garden, she asked her mate if she could employ the mates gardener for a day. He charged £20p/h to not kill the tree. And we begrudge £20p/h to not kill someone????? 🤯

When doctors decide to go to uni and more importantly pass their exams to become a doctor - Are They Not Aware What the Pay Rates Are??

no you nitwit, because seven years ago when they made a level and degree decisions the pay was better.

As for saying if they don’t like it get another job. They are doing! And that’s the problem. Do you like living in a country with a lack of doctors? Struggling to see a GP, long waiting lists?

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator
Doctors aren't equivalent to other public sector workers. They are more highly educated and more highly skilled. They literally save lives. It's irrelevant what other people have or have not got, doctors deserve their pay restored.

Junior doctors eventually become senior consultants and GP’s on pretty good salaries. They’re training. They’re still learning. They’re not qualified yet. All this is spelt out when they apply to go into medicine. If they’re not prepared to put the training in, and want to be performing brain surgery within the year, then it’s not the job for them. But yes, I suspect Labour will give them pretty much what they’re asking for. That’s what Labour do. They’ll find someone who they can get a bit of extra tax from….

DD is dr about to piss off to Oz because of poor pay snd T/c here. Just refused leave AGAIN because of rota . Works 12 hour shifts back to back regularly and is on her knees . Shit way to treat highly skilled professionals who give their all to patients. I wouldn't have believed the poor way they're treated if I'd not seen it first hand . They need to be paid properly at the very least

They’re not qualified yet

You do know that junior doctors and medical students are very different?

I take it when the OP claims FACTS she is talking out of her arse as she is just putting her opinion with no substance whatsoever.
Do love this bollocks “they knew what they were getting into before they started”

Who are you that you think it's up to you to "sanction" any pay negotiations?

There are no allowances.

That's pretty much a one-way street these days.

Used to be people in the UK would wring their ha da about how Britain was contributing to a brain drain in poorer countries by poaching the doctors and nurses they had paid to train. It's quite fascinating how people have their heads in the sand now and can't face up to the fact that the brain drain for medical professionals is flowing away from us now...

OP, tell me, do you think having a skilled, motivated and adequately staffed medical establishment might help bring down the sickness benefits bill? While public sector pay has been shamefully eroded over the years and caused problems all over the place, the funds we have should be directed to where they can have the best impact on economic outcomes, don't you think?

Why don’t you have private insurance OP? Why are you worried about the state of the NHS?

Most Tories I know go private; they don’t worry about getting care. They aren’t worried about public sector junior doctors. They don’t use them.