Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

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This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

This. There’s always money for vanity projects.

The 35% pay rise would cost £1billion (net after getting back Tax NI) to settle this year.

But of course the Doc's would settle for around half that, 12% is what they agreed on in Scotland.

So Richi Sunak could pay that rise and still be left with about £200m to live on......

The idea the UK cannot afford £500m is for the birds.

The OP has a habit of setting himself up as the resident MN go to expert for anything at all really.

Junior doctors are not well paid and their conditions are appalling. I’m not surprised they are asking for more.
35% of not very much still doesn’t put their pay in line with eg someone in IT ,who might also have a degree but much less training and a much more cushy job. We need to think about what we value.

Is the issue that to pay Juinors that all the pay scales have to increase?

Its not as simple as that - the costing you have come up with are pie in the sky, ie no jnr doc works basic hours, there are enhancements it - the bill will go up every year - no politically party would want to lose votes and if it was as easy as you say it is, which it is not, the docs would have got their 25/35% plus the mass of increases on the regular overtime etc. The cost of local would go up by 35% = all adds up and that's a fact

The BMA estimate a 35% pay rise would cost about £1 billion. If we get back the £200million Michelle Mone was given for providing dodgy PPE, that would be a fair start.

I’m sure there would be other avenues that could be explored to find some more.

No.

The Tories will be losing votes because of the shit state the NHS is currently in. Everyone I know is affected in some way, waiting lists, 36hrs plus in a&e and still not seen, can’t see a GP.

After I listened to the interview Nick Robinson had with Emma Runswick, I suspect this is a work to rule kind of situation…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001wh32

JDs aren't asking for a 35% pay rise, rather for their real terms pay to be restored to that of 10 years ago. Most of them have student debts upwards of £100,000, many are using food banks.

Do you want the doctor treating you to be concerned about how they will pay their rent next month?

BMA have always been clear that it can be a staggered path to full pay restoration - I think the resolution in Scotland was 14% now and a clear path to full pay restoration over four years or so. Could have easily been sorted in England if the govt wasn't ideologically opposed to the NHS.

It would be easier to get people back to work if we had a functioning NHS.......

They will continue to leave in droves.

Chatting to a friend the other day who is an F2. Her debt is £108,000. It has gone up since she qualified, because repayments < interest. She's got a job lined up in Australia next year and she doesn't know one single person in her cohort who is planning to stay. If I qualified now, I'd be off abroad.

They are abolishing the non-dom status
That will pay for the 35%
(and more doctors, nurses, teachers. Free food for all children, better schools, better help for small businesses and everything else they have said it will cover)

The govt are fools, they’re basically just training and providing the Australian health service with medics for free. Guess you don’t have to pay your student loans back either if you’re abroad or have they tightened up that loophole yet?

I think junior doctors work crazy hard and deserve a good pay rise.

What I am not sure about is whether we can afford all the other stuff that Labour appear to be promising as well as this. But we will see in the manifesto.

I would also like to see us training more junior doctors so the ones we have work under less stress, and we have less need to steal doctors from other countries who need them.

Exactly. And they talk about opening more medical schools.

I thought it was well known that if you want to fill a sink with water and it keeps running out, you need to put the plug in rather than just turn the taps on harder.....

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Nah the Tories have said they wont "give in" because its inflationary and would encourage other workers.

But the real question is do we want a functioning health service or not?

The junior doc's are the consultants of tomo, without which, we are all screwed.

12 to 15% would settle it and it could be delivered over 2 years.

The Govt wont even talk to them....

If there is one thing that both the Tories and Labour agree upon, it is that it's necessary to shaft doctors. They're utterly committed to it, from what I can see, starting with the NHS workforce plan.

I've never understood the lack of annual/inflation pay rises in the public sector?

I work for a large private company that is contracted by the government. All of our pricing includes agreed % escalation increases for each year to cover both labour and materials.

These are highly educated and qualified people, yes their pay should be increased like many others in this country. As someone on another thread said we are high cost low pay country now of course people will leave, why wouldn't they.

The NHS does not pay for their training, graduates fund their own training. They are not and should not be tied to the NHS.

People are saying we can't afford it. Labour have already admitted they will increase taxes, it was obvious but at least they are being honest. MC voters are going to get absolutely shafted, so buckle up.

Lastly I wish people would stop saying the state pension is a benefit. The majority have paid in unlike those on benefits that have never worked or work hardly at all. Let's start talking about benefits as being net of tax, let's be honest about how much people are actually getting.

I'm looking forward to Police Officers being given the same wage rise.

I expect you have private health care, OP.

What do you get paid @DistinguishedSocialCommentator