Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

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This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

Personally, yes, I thought it was crazy at the time, and those years of coalition did a lot of harm due to the horse trading and lack of cohesive policies. I'd hate to see a repeat of that, either with Labour or Tory involved.

No of course we shouldn't, or A&E would be over-run, treating pensioners with hypothermia and pneumonia each winter. That wouldn't help anyone.

A realistic rise for junior doctors now (17% ?), and a guarantee of a 2% above inflation rise each of the next three years would be my preference. It would probably end the strike.

But both sides need to negotiate. Getting entrenched doesn't help.

Tax payers seem to be able to afford PAs which are more expensive so I am sure they can afford doctors. And don’t see it as a pay rise, it is pay restoration

Yes, they do.

The number of overseas medics and doctors immigrating into the UK has been pretty steady for the last 5 years. Nigeria, Ghana, India, Middle East are leading sources.

So you want others to suffer, change their days, and times at work just because your DD wants time off.

"I don’t think that’s what anyone wants. People want there to be enough staff that people can take their legally entitled annual leave. It’s not rocket science"

This with bells on. Thanks @CormorantStrikesBack

OP never quite seems to want to understand facts.

@Spirallingdownwards "junior doctors" aren't simply those fresh out of uni completing their foundation years. It also includes anyone of great knowledge, expertise & training across all specialisms up to those who have taken & passed their consultancy exams.

I thought they have said they'd sit down and talk to them and work out a timeline, I think it was "getting there is a journey not an event."

The doctors want it recognised that their pay has dropped in real terms and they want a plan to get back to where they were.

Seems like there is a deal to be done and Labour are willing to work at that, Conservatives aren't.

Few seem to complain about the large annual pay rises grantedto heavily subsidised MPs

Plenty of junior doctors started uni when their pay was 35% higher than it is now. They don't give them crystal balls at freshers week so they didn't know where we would be now.

We need them so please don't encourage them to do other jobs.

It's not facts. It's FACTS. Have you learned nothing from this thread? Writing FACTS in capitals makes even the most ridiculous things become true 🤣

The pp was talking about Aus Dr's coming to the UK... not Dr's desperately needed in their own countries/regions, without equivalent training and very often poor English language skills.

We take nurses from India, India has a shortage of its own nursing staff, we even take them from Nepal, one of the worlds poorest countries.

Pay our own HCPs more?

Very fair and reasonable post

As I said yesterday, expect an off before, soon the GE

The ridiculous national service proposal will cost £2.5b a year - scrap that and pay doctors what they are worth

I mean it wont happen because they wont get in BUT if the Tories can find £2.5b to get 18 year olds to do 24 hours unpaid work then I am sure Labour can find the money to pay Dr's what they are worth - or is it only the tories that are allowed a 'magic money tree'?

"We need them so please don't encourage them to do other jobs."

Many thanks as I am aware that I have a massive influence over many things but I was not aware that I was able to get doctors to "do other jobs."
However, I'd give doctors and most other people a lot more sense, ability to make their own decisions rather than read my post and to to a"nother job"

I assume you must have tagged the completely wrong person because I was the one who basically said the same in response to some dickhead who didn't know this

I agree with the realistic rise as suggested.

Also I hope that negotiations with ASLEF resume as the refusal of government or the rail companies to enter into talks is ridiculous.

This Tory government especially when Boris Johnson was PM refusing to talk to people is unacceptable.

However, I'd give doctors and most other people a lot more sense, ability to make their own decisions rather than read my post and to to a"nother job"

OP, I wish you would credit other people with enough sense and the ability to make their own voting decisions rather than seeing it as your job to stop people voting as they see fit.

Oh, sorry!

@HappiestSleeping

"Incoherent arguments undermine any credibility you may once have had"

When? Genuinely - when?

I was trying to be generous 🤣🤣

You ve ridiculed a negotiated pay rise earlier in the thread, when i (and others) a 15% to 20% pay rise would solve this and over 2 years and poo hoo'd talks...

Now apparently its a "Very fair and reasonable" plan.

Thank the lord we've all got through to you......

what do you have a massive influence over out of interest? I'm genuinely curious

No I have not, what I am against is the 35% and the mass of strikes that only affects the poorly and not the government and htat is just another fact

!5% over three years is fine

You should read the post I quoted and quoted in my post that you quoted.
That is how that poster feels. It was NOT me saying it but one of your comrades on the thread, right!!

Many thanks as I am aware that I have a massive influence over many things but I was not aware that I was able to get doctors to "do other jobs."

So these aren't your words?

I wasn't aware I had comrades 🙄