Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

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This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

Well if we can’t afford it then I guess we can’t afford doctors. Which is why there is currently a year plus waiting time for urgent cardiac surgery and 18months plus for gynae waiting times. Choose your priorities I guess. 🤷‍♀️

In other news we can afford to lose £60million to Bulgaria in some sort of social security racket to people who don’t even live here.

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

Nonsense

If we can't afford to pay highly specialised people to provide a highly specialised service, then we can't afford the service itself.

"taxpayers" absolutely can afford to pay Junior Doctors, the issue is government would rather waste money on utter shite like HS2, Aircraft Carriers, Nuclear Subs, slapping union flags and red, white, and blue paint on anything and everything, than admit that people in "vocations" have been taken the piss out of for eons, and if you start paying one a reasonable salary, you'd have to pay all the rest.

We need a serious rethink in the UK about what we actually care about, and whether we are willing to pay for what we take for granted or not. Drs, Nurses, Teachers, whoever, are not being difficult, the difficulty lies with a UK public that has grown entitled and selfish, wants the moon on a stick, but bleats, moans, and whines about the real cost and ultimately would rather see their bank balance bloat a little bit than pay for the basic services they demand.

So in short, yes I fucking hope Labour does give the Dr's the perfectly reasonable 35% they are asking for.

Wes Streeting said this morning on the Today programme that he won't pay 35% but he wants to negotiate.

At least he will go to the table.

I am more bemused that you actually think junior doctors are worth what they are being paid.

But don't worry, if we cant give our junior doctors a decent pay in this country Australia, NZ et al are queuing up to take them off our hands

It’s amazing what can be afforded.

I don’t get the impression that you’re looking to discuss anything though op, simply put the ‘facts’ out there.

And I believe the 35% they’re asking for would only take them up to where they should be if their pay rises had been in line with inflation for the last god knows how many years.

so effectively they just want to be paid what they used to be paid.

funny how MPs get an above inflation pay rise but nhs get like 1%. Or nothing if you call a GE and stop the process (for agenda for change staff).

What do you think will happen if they don't get a pay rise, out of interest - how do you see that working long term?

"go to the table" and offer them what??

I could got to the "table," and listen to them and give them my support and say sorry, we are sorry, your demands are unreasonable - you get my drift - IE ANYONE can "go to the table" and that is a fact

There comes a point that going to "the table" is a waste of the governments time.

The reason the Tires are not giving them the 35% they are demanding and many votes is the fact the are putting England first for a change and their taxpayers. and not unrealsitic pay demands

i was reading a thread on here where someone was feeling the cost of living on £175k a year. In that thread were many people who apparently earned similar. Yet people are shocked and even disgusted Doctors want more money for such a vital job when paid so shockingly.

People are forever being told on here to get more qualifications, training and improve themselves for money .

Qualified junior doctors are intelligent and medically degree educated which then continues for many years through their continued training though the ranks. They can save lives yet we don’t want to pay for it. ( I’m fully aware not all doctors are perfect bla blah i work in the NHS i see it!)

If we hadn’t had many years of no or 1% pay rises in the NHS for years what they are asking for wouldn’t seem so high…..

Btw - if anyone wants to aim a question at me, make it clear rather than just post in a confusing manner

Also the tories don’t put anyone first but themselves….

We have too many expenditures and not enough taxpayers

I hope so, it'll be cheaper than the Tories national service scheme.

Guessed it was you posting btw, still don't understand what you have against doctors

If we can't afford Junior Drs how can we afford this?!?!

£240m already spent and ONE person has been sent to Rwanda. And if any more go we have to pay! £105k each!! Maybe for each refugee we don't send there we could pay a Junior Dr what they are worth??

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-the-uks-policy-to-send-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/

This is why we need to get people back into work, ie those that can work but wont as its easier on benefits - not the genuine majority on benefits

Benefits need to be reviewed and no gov of any colour can afford reselatically afford the benefits, NHS bills, not the defence bills

Everyone thinks their passion or career is the most important and worthy of increased spending, whether that’s education/justice/health care/defence/benefits.

We can’t do everything for everyone, we are no longer v wealthy

The 35% is to get junior doctors pay back to the same level after inflation as in 2010.

Should we also hold the state pension flat and not increase it by inflation?

Agree and Labour have said as much. Many are in for a shock about what is doable

Yes

Glad to hear that you are in favour of abolishing the triple-lock on the state pension, which is the single largest part of the benefit bill.

I do hope you tell any doctors who saves the life of a loved one that, if you are ever in that situation.

A 35% pay raise equals barely nothing, after the Government claim back tax and NI.

And they have the money for the ridiculous National Service bollocks, give that funding to the Junior Doctors instead.

I think we should ditch the triple lock, force people back into work and introduce rent caps.

Btw - if anyone wants to aim a question at me, make it clear rather than just post in a confusing manner

Why do we need to ask you a question like you're some sort of expert? I'll ask this - what your area of expertise is and what qualifications you hold?

I suspect nowhere near as educated as a senior registrar of neurology (for example).

Or maybe you are very knowledgeable on economics, because you are telling everyone else what they 'should' think and what the government is able to do or not do with the national coffers.

My suspicion is that you know sweet FA, but like to pontificate (don't we all love)

We can afford it.

It's just where priorities have been laid.

We have the money they are going to give to mates to start the royal commission for national service.

We have the money wasted on PPE that was given to mates.

We have the Rwanda money that's being used for a reciprocal agreement of 200 asylum seekers for 200 Rwandans.

We have the money wasted on HS2.

And that's just off the top of my head.