Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

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This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

They deserve every penny and I hope they keep fighting till they get it!

Does the sign say 15e/ hr for pay? Jesus Christ. A nurse in the midwest USA is paid 50.00/hr. You will NEVER get an incoming generation of talented intelligent people
to undergo rigorous training for that pittance.

When we have no doctors, what then? 2 doctors in my family have left for New Zealand. And it's not just actual salary either.

If you want to be treated by Physician Assistants ( sorry Associates) just carry on undervaluing those who've undertaken rigorous and ongoing training, working ridiculous hours and generally treated as though they shouldn't have a life.

I don't dispute the junior doctors' claims, and I DO think they are probably due a pay increase, although I don't pretend to know what is fair/sufficient/affordable. However, I do get a bit annoyed at comparisons with a junior doctor on £15/hr vs working at Aldi (or whatever), when gross pay is only one factor in their pay. There is also a whacking employer pension contribution, an unrivalled sick pay policy, maternity/paternity, and a very generous holiday allowance. These things never seem to be included in public sector workers' calculations...

Junior doctors are leaving the UK in their thousands to work in better conditions for better pay in other countries. Doctors are intelligent, highly skilled, highly qualified people who have chosen a difficult career that does real good in society. We should value them and pay them properly. They are people who could earn a lot more in other professions, had they chosen to do so. It makes me sad that our government seems to value bankers and their bonuses etc more than it values medical professionals. What does that say about our society? (I am not a dr, by the way!)

Yes they should have a pay rise in line with inflation over the last 13 years

And that means 35%

If the Tories hadn't given all the taxpayers money to THEIR FUCKING MATES they'd have had it all fucking ready

certainly hope so!

Not you again

We can't afford NOT to give them a decent pay rise. We are losing Doctors to other countries that will pay them decent wages and allow them to have a life outside of work.
It's disgusting that our Doctors aren't being paid properly.

What's this about Bulgaria?

In answer to OPs question I would really hope so but doubt it. Junior doctors’ pay is appallingly low for the role and responsibilities they have. In this regard I think it’s the worst of those working in the Public sector.
Most healthcare professionals in the NHS are on the Agenda for Change scheme and their pay has increased over the years unlike that of Junior Doctors. Physicians Associates earn far more and do not have the training or responsibility. They cannot order X Rays or prescribe so the junior doctors have to examine the patients themselves which is no help when they are overstretched as it is.
I speak as a semi retired bank nurse - band 5 (lowest nursing band) who earned more per hour than my F2 daughter last year. Subsequently she went to Australia. This is the reality. Many of her cohort have done the same or are doing locums. I can’t believe how bad it’s got for junior doctors, the conditions are awful. I’ve also heard it’s difficult presently to get training posts after the 2 foundation years. Pay them what they deserve or we will lose them, it’s such a waste. And those that say they should be tied in to the NHS after training clearly don’t realise how difficult and stressful the job is whilst being paid a pittance. And for those who say they knew what they were signing up to, no they didn’t at 18 and things have got worse.

Doctors are on a different pay scale to those on agenda for change (most of the NHS are on AfC - nurses, admin, HCA's, pharmacists etc etc)

The strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

I seem to recall that before you retired you worked in the Civil Service helping people claim benefits OP - vital work on which people depended for their livelihood.

Were you allowed to strike?

Yes, civil servants are allowed to.

Interesting the Tories are making a fuss about timing. Seems to me that doctors owe them nothing.

Not true. That was the old days. Certainly not these days, for younger doctors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68774242

Sick pay is good, yes. Maternity better than some, worse than some. Pension massively eroded from what it was. Holiday is 6w/year so nothing special.

I think you have misunderstood. I am saying they are worth the 35% rise. The OP thinks they aren't.

I did think that’s what you meant.

You have misunderstood. I am saying OP thinks they are only worth what they get paid and I think they are worth at least the 35% raise they are seeking. So not nasty at all and I accept your apology!

Please find the apology proffered 🙇

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The full 35% would cost £1bn after extra tax and NI taken.

If we have less Doc's, we will need to bring them in via agencies, costing far us all far more.

Senior registrar earns considerably less per year than Sunak made per week last year.

Dont hedge you bets on a socialist Labour leader - just look at Wales and their Lab gov

What about Wales? and knowing what a woman is are getting very tedious.

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