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Beezknees · 30/05/2024 14:55

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 13:45

Well it looks like Labour are in real trouble now.

Rayner has sided with Abbott and opened up a huge division in Labour on the eve of the election - the party fractures.

VAT on PS looks set to be kicked into the long grass as someone has crunched the numbers and realised they haven’t got the head room to lose over a million votes.

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has.

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They really aren't.

IClaudine · 30/05/2024 14:58

@Polishedshoesalways could you link to the info on VAT on school feels being ditched, please?

bombastix · 30/05/2024 15:02

No. Another way of looking at Rayner’s intervention is that it cools matters down. Yvette Cooper said similar to Rayner. And both of them said things that are still true; Abbott can stand (she doesn’t want to) or there will be a successor. End. Starmer has said nothing that means that can’t happen.

IClaudine · 30/05/2024 15:02

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has

I guess maybe "narrowing" has a different meaning in the world of polishedshoes?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726

Catnipcupcakes · 30/05/2024 15:04

Scotland here and its getting more and more ridiculous. I’m in engineering earning less than six figures and the 45% tax was the the last straw.

I’ve applied to return to working in Germany (I was there for ten years early in my career) asap whoever wins. They’re all the same. Can’t say I don’t hate the SNP/Greens though.

luckylavender · 30/05/2024 15:30

groyard · 24/05/2024 12:24

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

Let them go. The country may collapse if the Tories get back in.

frankentall · 30/05/2024 15:35

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 13:45

Well it looks like Labour are in real trouble now.

Rayner has sided with Abbott and opened up a huge division in Labour on the eve of the election - the party fractures.

VAT on PS looks set to be kicked into the long grass as someone has crunched the numbers and realised they haven’t got the head room to lose over a million votes.

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has.

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In your dreams 😂

frankentall · 30/05/2024 15:35

IClaudine · 30/05/2024 15:02

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has

I guess maybe "narrowing" has a different meaning in the world of polishedshoes?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726

As does truth.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 16:15

frankentall · 30/05/2024 15:35

In your dreams 😂

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It looks like Rayner has taken her time and is about to write Starmers obituary. If you don’t know that you aren’t following closely enough.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 16:19

Latest poll just 12 points between the two parties 🎉

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-lead-slashed-to-just-12-points/

Poll slashes Labour lead to just 12 points

They think it’s all over – but is that actually the case? After a difficult start to the campaign for the Conservatives, many of their own MPs had privately written off their chances at this election. However a new poll out tonight could force the skep...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-lead-slashed-to-just-12-points/

IClaudine · 30/05/2024 17:05

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 16:19

Latest poll just 12 points between the two parties 🎉

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-lead-slashed-to-just-12-points/

And look at who runs the polling company?

https://jlpartners.co.uk/polling-results

I thought you said the polls are usually wrong?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general-election-2024/5081723-to-think-the-uk-will-become-a-barren-post-apocalyptic-dystopian-hell-scape-if-labour-win?reply=135647856&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

I predict a name change on July 5th for @Polishedshoesalways

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/05/2024 17:15

Interesting. I think many people who usually vote Tory would love to vote Reform but know that ultimately it will count as nothing more than a protest vote and will hand Labour a victory on a plate. The consequences of that are too scary for them to ignore.

Some will still vote Reform because even though they are spiritually Tory through and through, they are so furious at this Tory government for letting them down on so many levels and wasting so many opportunities post Brexit, that their desire to mete out a punishment beating is huge, even if it scores something of an own goal.

Many people seem to be stoic about the fact that these things are typically cyclical and it's naturally the time for Labour to be given the chance to fuck it all up again, so that the Tories can take a breather, re-group and come back refreshed later, ready to undo the mess. That's usually how things work, except this time it's different. This time we've had Brexit and the in-fighting surrounding it, Covid (which I don't think we can even begin to try and quantify the impact of) and Ukraine so it's been a bit of a weird one. There is no knowing where we'd be if Labour had been in power to deal with all of those things coming thick and fast as they did.

Maybe the Tories will break up and re-form in two separate factions, the centrists and the more traditionally right wing. I do believe if Nigel Farage announced a sudden pact with Rishi Sunak any day now, which is being speculated on, the Tories would snatch things back from the jaws of Labour, against all current odds. They'd get all those Red Wall Brexit voters back on side because they think NF is the only person they can trust now.

DodoTired · 30/05/2024 18:32

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 13:45

Well it looks like Labour are in real trouble now.

Rayner has sided with Abbott and opened up a huge division in Labour on the eve of the election - the party fractures.

VAT on PS looks set to be kicked into the long grass as someone has crunched the numbers and realised they haven’t got the head room to lose over a million votes.

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has.

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Typical Labour. Will do everything possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

AmpleFatball · 30/05/2024 18:58

I see we have another Tory MP who has announced they’ll be voting Labour.

It’ll be Sunak’s wife next.

bombastix · 30/05/2024 19:02

DodoTired · 30/05/2024 18:32

Typical Labour. Will do everything possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

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You know this thing about VAT and private schools is jolly odd because it was mentioned again as Labour policy twice this morning. That does not sound like long grass to me, but perhaps frequency of mentioning something must mean you have no intention of doing so - I suppose we will find out in the next nine months

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:07

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/05/2024 17:15

Interesting. I think many people who usually vote Tory would love to vote Reform but know that ultimately it will count as nothing more than a protest vote and will hand Labour a victory on a plate. The consequences of that are too scary for them to ignore.

Some will still vote Reform because even though they are spiritually Tory through and through, they are so furious at this Tory government for letting them down on so many levels and wasting so many opportunities post Brexit, that their desire to mete out a punishment beating is huge, even if it scores something of an own goal.

Many people seem to be stoic about the fact that these things are typically cyclical and it's naturally the time for Labour to be given the chance to fuck it all up again, so that the Tories can take a breather, re-group and come back refreshed later, ready to undo the mess. That's usually how things work, except this time it's different. This time we've had Brexit and the in-fighting surrounding it, Covid (which I don't think we can even begin to try and quantify the impact of) and Ukraine so it's been a bit of a weird one. There is no knowing where we'd be if Labour had been in power to deal with all of those things coming thick and fast as they did.

Maybe the Tories will break up and re-form in two separate factions, the centrists and the more traditionally right wing. I do believe if Nigel Farage announced a sudden pact with Rishi Sunak any day now, which is being speculated on, the Tories would snatch things back from the jaws of Labour, against all current odds. They'd get all those Red Wall Brexit voters back on side because they think NF is the only person they can trust now.

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The only problem with that is labour intend to reverse Brexit - so that ain’t gonna happen!

Notonthestairs · 30/05/2024 19:16

'The only problem with that is labour intend to reverse Brexit - so that ain’t gonna happen!'
Stop promising me a good time.

'As of May 2024, 55 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 31 percent who thought it was the right decision.'
https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Brexit poll 2024 | Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:28

Notonthestairs · 30/05/2024 19:16

'The only problem with that is labour intend to reverse Brexit - so that ain’t gonna happen!'
Stop promising me a good time.

'As of May 2024, 55 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 31 percent who thought it was the right decision.'
https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Are you saying the red Wall voters have changed their minds? 😂

You actually believe that??

GasPanic · 30/05/2024 19:30

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/05/2024 17:15

Interesting. I think many people who usually vote Tory would love to vote Reform but know that ultimately it will count as nothing more than a protest vote and will hand Labour a victory on a plate. The consequences of that are too scary for them to ignore.

Some will still vote Reform because even though they are spiritually Tory through and through, they are so furious at this Tory government for letting them down on so many levels and wasting so many opportunities post Brexit, that their desire to mete out a punishment beating is huge, even if it scores something of an own goal.

Many people seem to be stoic about the fact that these things are typically cyclical and it's naturally the time for Labour to be given the chance to fuck it all up again, so that the Tories can take a breather, re-group and come back refreshed later, ready to undo the mess. That's usually how things work, except this time it's different. This time we've had Brexit and the in-fighting surrounding it, Covid (which I don't think we can even begin to try and quantify the impact of) and Ukraine so it's been a bit of a weird one. There is no knowing where we'd be if Labour had been in power to deal with all of those things coming thick and fast as they did.

Maybe the Tories will break up and re-form in two separate factions, the centrists and the more traditionally right wing. I do believe if Nigel Farage announced a sudden pact with Rishi Sunak any day now, which is being speculated on, the Tories would snatch things back from the jaws of Labour, against all current odds. They'd get all those Red Wall Brexit voters back on side because they think NF is the only person they can trust now.

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I think there is also a fear that Labour are going to gerrymander/manitpulate the voting system, potential adding millions of extra voters that are synpathetic to them to ensure that they stay in power.

I am fairly confident that if Labour get in this time they will be in for a generation.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:32

GasPanic · 30/05/2024 19:30

I think there is also a fear that Labour are going to gerrymander/manitpulate the voting system, potential adding millions of extra voters that are synpathetic to them to ensure that they stay in power.

I am fairly confident that if Labour get in this time they will be in for a generation.

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Allowing immigrants to vote and 16 year olds is really what they are hoping to force us to have a labour indefinitely.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:33

Then we will see far right groups really taking root and before you know it - we will be in real trouble.

GasPanic · 30/05/2024 19:36

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/05/2024 17:15

Interesting. I think many people who usually vote Tory would love to vote Reform but know that ultimately it will count as nothing more than a protest vote and will hand Labour a victory on a plate. The consequences of that are too scary for them to ignore.

Some will still vote Reform because even though they are spiritually Tory through and through, they are so furious at this Tory government for letting them down on so many levels and wasting so many opportunities post Brexit, that their desire to mete out a punishment beating is huge, even if it scores something of an own goal.

Many people seem to be stoic about the fact that these things are typically cyclical and it's naturally the time for Labour to be given the chance to fuck it all up again, so that the Tories can take a breather, re-group and come back refreshed later, ready to undo the mess. That's usually how things work, except this time it's different. This time we've had Brexit and the in-fighting surrounding it, Covid (which I don't think we can even begin to try and quantify the impact of) and Ukraine so it's been a bit of a weird one. There is no knowing where we'd be if Labour had been in power to deal with all of those things coming thick and fast as they did.

Maybe the Tories will break up and re-form in two separate factions, the centrists and the more traditionally right wing. I do believe if Nigel Farage announced a sudden pact with Rishi Sunak any day now, which is being speculated on, the Tories would snatch things back from the jaws of Labour, against all current odds. They'd get all those Red Wall Brexit voters back on side because they think NF is the only person they can trust now.

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Maybe the Tories will break up and re-form in two separate factions, the centrists and the more traditionally right wing. I do believe if Nigel Farage announced a sudden pact with Rishi Sunak any day now, which is being speculated on, the Tories would snatch things back from the jaws of Labour, against all current odds. They'd get all those Red Wall Brexit voters back on side because they think NF is the only person they can trust now.

Maybe Rishi should offer him the Home Secretary position and see whether he can put his money where his mouth is ?

I reckon he would dodge that particular bullet though. Maybe Minister for Sounding Off But Not Actually Having To Do Anything would appeal to him more.

EasternStandard · 30/05/2024 19:38

I can’t see the pressures that are impacting the EU, and will here, going away unless international law changes somehow

It’ll be messy as political and social strain increases

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:47

I really can’t imagine anyone but the FR voting for reform, brexiteers are most likely to run with the conservatives this time around. I have it from impeccable sources Labour are set to push for a back door EU re entry. So it won’t be long before that’s public. Lammy has already said as much. Has anyone got the stomach for another seven years of in fighting?

bombastix · 30/05/2024 19:50

Declare your immaculately informed sources @Polishedshoesalways because you should be taking that to the Times and the Telegraph not wasting it on us