Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

This is such bollocks. Can you please offer your definition of "critical thinking skills"?

My defintion would be pretty much the same as any definition you'll find on the interweb as described by educational and academic establishments. You are welcome to google it if you are unsure.

Is anyone going to dispute that higher levels of education tend to mean a more liberal outlook? This would appear to be a key problem for the Conservatives. Their message which is now reductionist and popularism is only popular with a few. Nigel Farage is doing this stuff better. He is going to create a new party with what remains of the Conservatives after the election. That is clear. And that will be very right wing, much more than Sunak’s pale imitation on Rwanda, national service and tax cuts with no funding.

The current support for Labour is showing working people find this a massive turn off. They don’t want it; it would suggest that the remaining Conservatives are very very right wing or very old, and the same will be true of Reform.

You will always get a certain number of highly qualified people who are mobile moving somewhere else for their own betterment. Fair enough. But the idea of it being any worse under Labour remains to be tested. And it looks like Labour have done what they needed too, got the vote of the majority of working people. The only sector of the population where the Conservatives are ahead is the over 65s.

For the many, not the few. Some will pack their bags. But they will be older, retired people, and some highly mobile percents. The country needs more than catering to these groups. Look where it has got us.

‘Liberal’ meaning what exactly?

Not Labour surely

I see enough intelligence from women on various issues to know that

It would be very interesting to see the demographics for the current Conservative vote. My guess is that it is less well educated than the current intended vote for Labour. I also imagine this isn’t a recent trend.

Labour are not the ‘Liberal intelligent vote’ they’re just a protest against what we have. In the same way people moved in the opposite direction in 2019.

This idea that Labour have about who they are makes me laugh though

I think if you dig deeper into this, you are going to find exactly that. The Conservative vote is very old. It is less well educated. The point at which people used to switch from Labour to Conservative is going up. It used to be 45 or so. Now it is into the 60s.

If you picked at this more, you would see that degree educated people were already voting Labour in significant numbers. And that was ahead of the Conservatives in 2019 when Corbyn was in charge. More graduates were voting Labour then than Conservative. I expect that to increase this time around.

Very U.K. focussed there and specific to this election which is at the end of Labour being out of power for a long time.

The EU has June elections we’ll see what the shift is.

Aus vote in ways we think of as politically to the right even though its centre left gov.

We may buck the trend this time but we’ll see how it plays out, if international law stays as is.

Well don’t widen the goalposts! I’m naturally discussing the UK as I know it best.

The more extreme elements of Conservative policy are being overtaken and rapidly by Nigel Farage. Either that man tries to take over the remnants of the Conservatives after the election when a very right wing lump of MPs are left or he acts as a kingmaker for the next leader by bringing in the Reform vote. I would like to know more about reform voters myself because this is new to me. My guess that they are still over 60, less likely to be degree educated and will be propert owners. But one thing I wouldn’t consider them is liberal.

I think you need to define what you mean by Liberal

Can you put some parameters around it?

You are referring to Reform there so as a starting point I’ll offer up Aus as a country with policies around immigration that I’m sure they would like. With a Labor gov.

It’s pretty fluid m, so Liberal meaning?

This thread is interesting

A lot of their country their rules. Aus is not looked upon badly but as policies go they are tough.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5083523-can-you-really-not-move-to-australia-with-autism?reply=135590926

What a pompous reply.

Well you asked me to define something which already has a pretty standard definition which I'm fairly sure you probably already understand, so I am not really sure what else you expected to hear.

I was asking you to explain what you understood it to mean since you had cited it. I have asked several other people who claimed to be disappointed by the lack of "critical thinking" the same question - you are the only one to have replied and you refuse to offer a definition, instructing me to do my own research. I wanted to understand exactly what was in your thinking. I don't accept it has a standard definition, or I wouldn't have asked.

Fine, fine. Anyone who wants to emigrate in a fit of frenzied panic because they're scared that a Labour government will re-nationlise our services and resources (and possibly their garden gnomes), and doesn't want to pay their legal dues then let 'em go.

They're just selfish and greedy small-minded snobs: the type who probably smugly drop a measly Kit Kat in the food collection point at the supermarket and self-congratulate themselves on being "a thoroughly good citizen".

I’m looking forward to nationalised trains myself!

I’m another poster (a professional) that emigrated because of Brexit.

If anything I’d expect a change of government, to one willing to work more cooperatively with the EU, to slow the exodus of high earners from the UK.

Didn't know that. It's pretty brutal tbf. Wouldn't go down well here at all!

You should try watching Border Force in Australia
Its quite enlightening

I wish they would renationalise 'Royal Mail' before it gets flogged to the Czech Billionair! 😡

Well certainly the 3 million who Rishi shafted by excluding them from the covid support schemes will certainly be voting for someone other than Rishi. Whether they vote Labour is a different matter. Other parties are available. Labour didn't exactly show competence in the HOL when discussing the 3 million excluded and Reeves was particularly weak and clearly didn't understand all the different exclusions and how they shafted so many people!

Most train operating companies are now controlled by the Government as is Network Rail who look after the infrastructure. Not really much at all now that isn't Government controlled.

Hardly ‘most’

And only taken under government control because they were unusable.

Well it looks like Labour are in real trouble now.

Rayner has sided with Abbott and opened up a huge division in Labour on the eve of the election - the party fractures.

VAT on PS looks set to be kicked into the long grass as someone has crunched the numbers and realised they haven’t got the head room to lose over a million votes.

The polls are narrowing by the day and that’s before Starmer limps on to the public stage to remind us how little gravitas he has.

Nah. Just the usual bumpy road towards a GE . Tories are still toast.

ETA : which polls are you looking at? Not the JLP one, I hope.