Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

[groyard]

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

thank you - thats really interesting background.

Well, I see you here on the same boards as me @ArseInTheCoOpWindow so I know we are interested in the same topics. And I have never voted for the same party in two consecutive elections.

And?

I’m educated and know loads

But this says most people are employed in hospitality, finance and the service sector. Then there’s the nhs.

How can they all work for small businesses?

Just say ciao

There's probably more hotels, pubs, care homes B&Bs, independent retail shops, small garages and tiny SMEs. Together, they are probably bigger than the NHS. But they are not all alike.

Nonsense. If everyone worked as hard as possible and achieved highly academically, we would have no less need for low paid roles and no more need for highly paid roles. We'd just have the same old gatekerping that ensured the highly paid roles stayed within a certain demographic, and a lot of manual workers with degrees.

Me too.
Im very much a swinger

Most hospitality businesses, even the five star boutique hotel my DS worked for until midnight on Friday, only employ 40 or 50 staff. My dentist (not NHS) employs about five people. I buy pork directly from the farmer. I prefer not to have to transact business with empires, and go to considerable lengths to avoid doing so.

Which is not the point of my post.

I wonder if public sector might have a different people I know trend

State involvement is lower here, bar the pandemic awfulness

Even being a police officer requires a degree in policing as part of the training now.

I agree - though I wouldn’t have said that 14 years ago - I wonder what has changed in that time 🤔

The point of your post is that it's not a privilege to earn highly because its open to everyone who works hard enough? I'm merely pointing out the lack of logic in that. There are not enough highly paid jobs or gaps presenting a business opportunity for everyone who wants one. So clearly, the opportunity to earn more money cannot possibly be there for everyone prepared to work hard enough. And what opportunities there are typically (not always, but often enough to be a pattern) go to those with some pre existing advantage/privilege.

Ok.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one

I guess this is the new reds under the bed.
DEI training has never been a legal requirement for UK companies.

I am guessing you don't live in Wales @EasternStandard ?

Can you say what you’re disputing here? Either the demographics or the voting alignment which are my two main points

I’m sure there are lovely places in Wales btw and many are very happy to live there, however if the demographics which bring about a Labour gov at every vote were to be replicated across the U.K. it would be very difficult to sustain.

I was just curious. The Tories do love to bang on about "in Labour run Wales" as though it is some kind of hellish place to live.

Well they might, however I’ve just posted some nice things about Wales. I don’t feel strongly about it as a place at all.

You could feel defensive but that wasn’t what I was posting.

Your demographics which lend to Labour at every vote would not sustain all of the U.K.

If we were to get to the same place I think it would be very hard and people would go if they could. Leading to a pretty difficult outcome

You could crowdfund that in literally 2 minutes 😂

I live in Wales and work in England, like many of us. The NHS seems marginally better in England, although not that much, according to my NHS worker (in England) friends.

Eduction in Wales appears to be a bit of an experiment at the moment, although I'm glad my kids will get to do coursework. There are a few fb whingers who bang on about 'liebour' all the time but I'm not sure how they expect a Conservative led senedd to be any better.

In terms of demographics, are you talking about the age of the population or level of education or something else?

Not my parents.

Or my grandparents.

Nor us or my kids. We're with Irvine Walsh

@HeadDeskHeadDesk Sure, let's ignore the huge correlation between educational level and intelligence (or even cognitive function) and the evidence that education improves both.

Obviously socioeconomics and genetics play a big part, but it's disingenuous to suggest there isn't a link between intelligence & education.

Obviously there are loads of very intelligent people without a decent formal education and idiots with one.

(remember Boris Johnson's inability to understand the simple covid graphs?)