Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

[groyard]

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

I wonder if Aaron Banks wanted to save a bit of tax.
Or maybe another donor.

londonlovesbusiness.com/top-10-donors-who-bankrolled-ukip-in-2014/

It's equally obvious mathematically that half the population have less than "average" intelligence, and by the same cut, that half are more idle than the busy half of the population. So, just on statistics, we have to hope that it is lovely kind people who do caring jobs, and make a decision that they should be paid a living wage. Very sadly, I'm a bit too old and much too cynical to think that this is the route we will take.

When a caring job is remunerated at roughly the same wage as most modestly skilled roles in traditionally male jobs, eg mechanics, (it's roughly £16-18 ph here) there might be a chance. But a mechanics skills carry a profit margin, while care jobs rarely do, unless an entrepreneur is in the middle, brokering the deal and implicitly accepting responsibility for the carer's competence and trustworthiness. I don't really give a toss who services my car, as long as they are competent, BUT I am going to be very engaged with anyone who is involved with my doubly incontinent (LATE) demented DMIL's care requirement. DMIL was lovely, kind, a nurse, clever, funny, witty and very savvy with her finances, until dementia affected her.

Not a particular fan of the tories
but we will be screwed if labour get in
has every one forgotten last time when the
where voted out
there was a note left saying there’s nothing left ! 0 in the coffers
if I could I would get the hell out of Uk I would,
think Richy , better than the last two muppets
but omg starmer no no run

It was nothing in the coffers because of financial crisis (not created by labour) anf need to bail out too big to fail banks (private industries). At least back then NHS waitlists were short, streets were clean as well as water, and youths were taken care of. Public services were invested into.
right now there will be nothing left in the coffers by Tories. Over what? Over Brexit they created? With massive underinvestment into public infrastructure even though they had quite a few ‘fat’ years in their 14-year run??

IMO, I think Rishi Sunak and Sir Keir Starmer are both brilliant candidates for being PM. Both appear to be honest, competent administrators with their heads firmly screwed on to a sense of normalcy and respect for getting the job done. competence. In a coalition of all the talents, (I know it can't happen) I like Cameron at Foreign Secretary over David Lammy but Lammy is definitely worth keeping on . Wes Streeting at Health. Rachel Reeves AND Jeremy Hunt at Treasury with one of them specifically tasked to an improvement/simplication of tax code. I'd like to keep Gove, probably at Justice which needs to move a lot faster.

I know, Fantasy Football for politics geeks. Anyone else want to play?

I'd probably put Angela Rayner in as Home Secretary, which is the most difficult job of them all.

So you never think this might have been a joke? Or just a bit of humour?

Probably I'm the only not quite Tory who thinks Angela Rayner is the best equipped person ever to face the hardest decisions about who deserves what?

Agree.
I remember the disaster Blair left us in and the war based on lies we lost lives in.
Not to mention the referendum on Leave was a vote by the population, and the demographic that voted for Brexit is widely known ie traditional Labour voters. yet it’s blamed on the Conservatives who decided to give the people a democratic right to vote at a time when the country was full of Eurosceptics.

How easily people forget
Agree Starmer is not a great leader, too authoritarian and not well liked in his party.

Ok
Ill do Wes Streeting.
It’s a no from me. Anyone that thinks you can tackle waiting lists with doctors and nurses doing overtime has failed to ask doctors and nurses.
If you can’t research your policy it’s a No vote from me

Not to mention the referendum on Leave was a vote by the population, and the demographic that voted for Brexit is widely known ie traditional Labour voters. yet it’s blamed on the Conservatives who decided to give the people a democratic right to vote at a time when the country was full of Eurosceptics

And the Tories screwed those voters good and proper didn’t they? Which is why they’ve swung back to Labour again.

And really is there anyone left in the country who still thinks Brexshit was a good idea?

Or, you look at it the other way: after IHT Syou’re passing on well over £6m to your children. Even with a larger family that’s more of a headstart than virtually every other child in the country. Is that not enough? It’s not like they grafted for it 🤷‍♀️

The only people that have grafted for it are the parents.
( Although many kids may have missed out on family time, but that goes for a lot of two full time working parent families )

If the parents chose to give their money to their kids or / and other family members or even charity then that’s their choice.
If they chose to give 40% to the tax man then that’s their choice.
No one else’s.

Of course we could have an alternative policy where all assets irrespective of amount and leaving just enough for a burial is handed over to the tax man .
No one, adopting the idea ‘ they didn’t earn it’ ..inherits a penny.

That’ll be a vote winner then.

It's also the case that the young are 'better educated' because they've grown up in an era where 50% of them go to university, whereas the old are less 'well educated' because they grew up in an era where 7% of people went to university.

That says absolutely nothing whatsoever about their comparative levels of intelligence, critical thinking skills, or their ability to understand the implications of what they are voting for.

Most young people vote left (when they can be bothered to vote at all) because they are idealists. The cure for that comes with age and some life experience. Many of the older people who now vote Conservative started off as young people thinking they were left wing. They grew out of it.

No they didn’t. I’m 60, I’d say all my friends and colleagues got more left wing as they got older

Ds works in the media and this is one of his areas of specialism. Changing voting patterns. More pwople under 65 are turning leftwards. Labour is becoming the party of the educated and professional middle class AND the young.

Conservative is becoming the party of the working class and over 65’s

The Tories are on their way out. Over 65 and white working class men are becoming their main supppetera. And the over 65’s will die off soon.

The 2 parties have swapped round.

The more highly educated someone is, the more likely they are to be socialists. Regardless of their ‘critical thinking skills’

It's two separate categories. More educated people vote left even when they are older. Less educated people are more likely to vote right even when they are young.

Voting intention by age - gives a bit more thoughtful data than the old story of only young people voting for Labour.

Yes, l think the turning more right wing as you age is no longer that applicable.

When we were a more formal structured society l think it was maybe applicable. But we are much looser and less formal now. And much more educated.

It is pretty fluid. 2019 GE a different picture

And the EU countries trending right, what age groups are they I wonder

Off they fuck then…..

after 14 years of this cluster fuck party they’d be mad to want the Tories to stay.

Go for their lives. Wasn’t this once Paul Daniels’ threat 😂

Why you have characterised this as brain drain is a mystery.

What on earth would make you entertain the notion that people who don’t vote tory are not more intelligent.

Besides which your concerns are ridiculous. Your brother in law and brother are not going anywhere. Sadly.

Labour leads the Conservatives in every age group except the over 65s (and they are neck and neck in that group).

Hmmmm, 🤔