How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

In what way isn't she in control of herself or emotions?

She has been enduring constant and bitter attacks recently, even jibes from leading Tory ministers, yet hasn't reacted to any of them, she has remained aloof from it all.
She was smeared by Bojo about opening her legs to distract him, again, she laughed it off.

I would say she is in fact very much in control of her emotions & mentally very strong.

Aside, YouGov have Labour on 47% and the Cons on 20%.......

What do you mean by not in control of herself or emotions? I have never observed this.

@Polishedshoesalways may I remind you of Harriet Harman’s words again:

‘One of the things I’m concerned about in this election is that we have to absolutely make sure what we expect from all the political parties: standards of civility and that we don’t drop to personal abuse and misogyny because that then radiates into every community and every home.”

Maybe consider that when you speak so scathingly about a female politician. Not about her policies, not about what she stands for but( baselessly) about how you feel she presents. Just think about it.

Labour are going to find their latest announcement about NHS waiting lists difficult to implement, given that it involves NHS working nights and weekends.
People are already talking as if the staff will be asked to work nights and weekends in addition to their existing hours and as if no-one else ever works at these times.
I can't see this getting off the ground at all.
It's a good idea but the left-wing unquestioning support for NHS staff will make this a non-starter.

Lol!

So someone who already does 40 or 50 hours a week (much of which is unpaid) should now work an additional 10 or 20 hours over the weekend & evening too?

Now i happen to think that the NHS needs to find a way to get PT staff back into FT work BUT thats v hard and will require investment in things like childcare and reducing stress, as well as costing a great deal.

14 years of the Tories has wrecked the NHS.

So someone who already does 40 or 50 hours a week (much of which is unpaid) should now work an additional 10 or 20 hours over the weekend & evening too?

I very much doubt MUCH of your 40-50 hour week is unpaid, that's exaggeration and ridiculous.

Are the plans for people to work extra shifts in addition to their existing shifts? That's not my understanding.

When my DD worked in the NHS, she'd do 10 to 15 hours unpaid, funnily enough PT staff did proportionately more, there is TOIL but its hard to get it, OT was an exception.

If staff aren't doing additional hours, how can they treat more people??? thats nonsensical.

Staff at our local hospital are paying over 1200 per year, after tax, there is a staff car park but the waiting list to get a place is over a year.... so more hours = more costs for staff.

@Polishedshoesalways you mean she pays your social values insufficient respect. That is to you rudeness or some lack of control?

Be serious. This woman has dragged herself up from very little. Her reward from the Conservative Party has been open misogyny towards her in Parliament and a criminal investigation which has not concluded in anything. What kind of civility or manners are those? Being well dressed or well mannered does not mean you are good. It means only that you can ape a few social standards. Nothing on character or values.

The Conservatives do not like her because she has landed many punches on them. That is politics. They are desperate and odious people. They could best Rayner if they had actual political skills, but they don’t.

Are the plans for people to work extra shifts in addition to their existing shifts?

Yes and get paid for them. Just like many already work extra bank shifts.

The issue here is that extra treatment etc isn't done in isolation, you need front & back office admin (eg discharge teams) porters, physio's, OTs, mtce staff, radiographers etc etc. plus far more equipment.

There is already huge staff shortages in the NHS, again thats ALL on the Tories, they slapped tuition fees on AHPs whilst failing to address retention and numbers overall.

As i said earlier, the numbers working part time across all sectors need to be reduced, e.g far too much time wasted on midweek hand overs, improve staff retention, bin off the private sector companies doing NHS work, esp in the community, its just duplication.

Indeed.

She had a very difficult start in life, no private school and help outs and ups (as per Boris and other Etonians) yet gets more abuse for doing it herself than others. Why? Well done her.

She should be inspirational to others who want to do well, yet she is constantly abused by Tory press, the Tory party and Tory voters.

There was no crime committed yet She us still smeered. Nothing to answer for to some on here means still guilty. Odd.

This @Polishedshoesalways your misogyny is there for all to see.

What punishment policies and militancy? You seem reluctant to answer this.

Clavinova · Yesterday 17:53

herecomesthesun24
A PM who openly lied in parliament!

So they claim - like Tony Blair and his weapons of mass destruction!

It's not a "claim". Johnson was caught out lying time and again. It's a matter of fact, and all available on the record.

You really cannot claim to be entitled to make a fuss about alleged lies by Starmer unless you are prepared to condemn Johnson unequivocally for his countless proven lies, to say nothing of all the other evidence of his corruption, incompetence and greed.

Would you care to correct the above lie now?

Of course not. I hope you’re not holding your breath.

Looking back at the title of this thread, I am still worried about the supposed Labour lead. It's dropped today from 20 points to 12. People generally don't vote for a party but against the opposing party. Labour have to be seen to be steady, reliable, truthful for voters to trust them with their vote. They are making huge steps but I still feel it is easily destroyed by gaffes over the coming weeks.
I do worry how people can look at the Tories and see competence in any of their actions over the last 14 years.
I did invite @Polishedshoesalways earlier to tell me why they think the Conservatives deserve to be elected, rather than why they don't want Labour?

Looking back at the title of this thread, I am still worried about the supposed Labour lead. It's dropped today from 20 points to 12.

It hasn't - except in one poll. Most polls have Labour's lead unchanged.

I'm worried too, though - as I said in my first post on this thread, there is a worrying number of voters like @Polishedshoesalways who will always stick their fingers in their ears and keep shouting out blatant lies about Labour.

The Labour lead has fallen in one poll which is out of step with all the others. J L Partners is a US based outfit with questionable methods. Check out some of its team.

https://jlpartners.com/senior-team

Actually that’s not right, ipsos poll and yogov tracker also show Tory increase and labour decline. Labour still significantly in tne lead, but factually there is movement as is being stated.

its going to be a long few weeks, so people may as well buckle up for the ride. Don’t assume you know the destination.

The gap is only going to narrow week on week. It always happens. If voters become over confident that Labour will win they feel they can afford to make protests with their vote in other directions. They really can't afford to lose seats. Although I suspect Corbyn may well win, but the optics of him on the opposition benches won't be too bad and he frequently hasn't voted with Labour over his 40 years as an MP. It really isn't going to be a 70+ seat majority.

Ipsos is showing a 21 point gap between Conservative and Labour votes and YouGov is at 27. Ipsos shows a decrease of three points to Labour and YouGov one or two. All the polls will move up and down but the J L Partners one is completely out of step with all the others. The bookies - who are usually reliable - are offering 33/1 odds on a Tory win.

The poll Sky have commissioned puts Labour 27 points in front today
news.sky.com/story/labour-extends-lead-over-tories-in-exclusive-poll-for-sky-news-13144620

Jess Philips has asked the conservatives to deselect Liz Truss for agreeing to be interviewed by a man who said there wasn’t enough beer for him to rape Jess Philips.

https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1795772976689799637?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA