Endgame - we need a discussion and spoiler thread **Contains spoilers - thread title edited by MNHQ**

[SouthWestmom]

Booked to see it tomorrow and v excited!

I think we need a thread to discuss it in.

So I'm starting one now.

I reckon Iron Man retires, Cap dies 😢, Hulk and Thor survive and that they return to the point where Starlord almost has it and get him to take the stone.

Gamorra must come back and I think Loki might.

Just to lighten the mood slightly.....
You know the scene where we learn Tony has a daughter. He goes out to the tiny little playhouse and sits on the teeny tiny chair..... I genuinely 100% hoped it was rocket living in there .

@MouseRatFan my mind went there too

Another mood lightener - when Bruce is explaining time travel, Nebula says yes that’s it exactly. Well she would know, she spent enough time in the TARDIS Not sure if they purposely gave her the line because of his but it made me smile

I do think Natasha deserved a bloody funeral though

Just got back from seeing it. Awesome and emotional.

Cried buckets when Clint's family turned to dust, Natasha died, all the portals opened and Tony died.

Natasha definitely needed a funeral.

Hated what they did to Thor throughout.

I get what people are saying about Captain Marvel. I did find her a bit annoying wanting to come in and take over when she's only recently been part of Marvel.

No post credit scene but the anvil/banging noise could be someone making a weapon/or trying to get out of somewhere.

Just back, absolutely loved it!! My 9 to nephew did walk out of the cinema going "I hated that bit when Iron Man DIED!!" Very loudly in front of all the people coming in to see the next showing....

It's been 3 days now and I'm desperate to see it again. Not sure my 3 year old would sit through it. He'd love Hulk, but he's not great with scary things. There are a whole lot of 'shit's, which I could never live down him repeating in front of my mother.

Need the dvd release!

Apparently the end credits noise was from the first iron man film.

Re Captain Marvel - she was still in the final battle scenes so there’s no excuse for not introducing her properly!

We've just seen it. Not sure how I feel about it. It was very good and 3 hours flew by but I was expecting more I think. I feel disappointed.

For me, I was expecting the 3 power houses - Thor, hulk and captain marvel to be out of this world in the power stakes. Thor was funny but I feel uncomfortable about how they portrayed him and poked fun at depression. Hulk was really really annoying - worst bits of Banner and Hulk in one with none of the good bits. CM was made out to be a pivotal character but she was barely in it and seem really disjointed.

My 8 yo cried all the way home and said it was the most rubbish version they could have made......I think he was hoping for more battles and powers but there was a lot of misery and crap characters not living up to their potential. Shame really.

Yeah, that was my thought @holdingonbyathread - I enjoyed it, and I liked how it closed the chapter, but I felt a bit deflated after the colossal of Infinity War.

It kind of felt like more fan service, which I suppose was inevitable seeing as it was the swan song for 3+ characters.

One thing I read earlier that technically Captain America snogged his own great niece (Sharon, in Civil War) as he went back to marry Peggy. Barf

@AllGoodDogs reminds me of when my then 6 year old DSS announced Quicksilvers death before we'd seen it when we Skyped him

For those of you who were disappointed, just out of curiosity how do you think it could have been better?

@ILoveYou3000 way more Captain Marvel (note username)

Anyone here who watched Agent Carter and had a lovely moment when Jarvis appeared? I suspect I was the only one at the showing I went to!

Really underwhelmed. So glad to find my people on here when all the reviews are 9/10!!

@Iloveyou3000 - what could be better?

1. It was not thrilling. They set a sombre mood after so many died in the last film and struggled to get that huge build up of excitement. Eg Thor Ragnarok was brilliant and all that tension kept getting wonderfully pricked with a witty barb or huge fight scene.

1. They kept trying to explain they had a lot to fight for, but really it helps add more drama if there is a lot to lose. More could have been done there.

1. The women of avengers bit. Honestly nearly threw something at the screen. Absolutely shameful.

1. I quite liked Thor but his character had no arc.

1. Captain Marvel - what was the point of her in this? Clunky editing as suggested above goes a long way to explaining why it felt more like she was a cameo than a character.

1. Natasha's funeral?!

1. Random young lad and Tony's funeral. SO obviously crow bar-ed in, he will probably be young Iron Man. Yawn.

1. No post scene credits

1. Really bad soundtrack.

10. Where does Gamora go?!

11. Total yawn when all the baddies appear.

12. All. The. Plot. Holes.

Can I just say I genuinely love the Avengers franchise, I don't normally trash movies like this. I feel like it's been over hyped and I felt so blah when I came out. Husband also in agreement.

The women of avengers bit. Honestly nearly threw something at the screen. Absolutely shameful.
Whaaaaaat? I mean it was heavy on the cheese, but how exactly is it shameful?

Where does Gamora go?!
At the end you see Quill searching for her with no results coming up, and he swipes off the screen when someone comes in - clearly setting that question up for GotG3.

Every “plot hole” I’ve seen raised so far has been either failure to understand the concepts of time travel as presented or are just not yet explained, rather than completely logically inconsistent.

Can’t help you with your yawn bits though - none of that was yawn for me!

@ILoveYou3000

I don't really know how to explain it. The first act dragged - I know it was setting up the reason why they were fighting, but it felt too clunky in places.

Nothing was explained as to why the world had become almost apocalyptic since the snap. Half the population was wiped out, not the entire population, and life would have had to go on - yet it spun the narrative that in the 5 years since the snap people had more or less gone underground.

Hulks character was shit. I felt they were pretty poor to him in IW too, but this was just an abomination. He'd become this casual 15 year old boy who was dabbing (Christ) and I felt that as a final swan song to one of the main Avengers it was poor.

Same goes for Thor. I get grief and guilt, but the reliance on the fact he was fat and out of shape was just meh. Have him depressed and alcohol dependent, but don't make a joke out of it. The Fortnite bit was gag worthy.

No funeral for Natasha. Just left there. Tony gets a funeral but zero mention of Nat not long after she dies.

Thanos was nearly beatable WITH the gauntlet in Infinity War. Yet he doesn't have it now and suddenly he's immortal. Lack of consistency.

I didn't mind the Time Travel plot holes weirdly.

Iron Man had a vision in Ultron about all of them at the end of their life. There was a bit after Avengers Tower was obliterated where I thought that was going to happen, but nada.

I really enjoyed Infinity War. There was a level of suspense and fear that really swept you through the film. For this film, you kind of knew two things - people would return and someone (or more) would die. It kind of ruined the suspense of the film, and it didn't feel quite so tragic, which I know sounds weird as people died/retired, but you almost knew it was either gonna be Cap or Iron Man.

How would I make it better?
Less emotional leaning. Less blasphemy against core characters. Plenty of opportunities to have battles (particularly when they went back in time). Better pacing. More suspense. Explanations of how the world carried in after the snap. And maybe crucially, how the hell did the world adapt to having 3 billion people back?

I was torn on the Women Of Marvel scene. Simultaneously “Yay!” and “Really? Captain Marvel needs backup from Okoye? ”

Not that Okoye isn’t awesome, but, she’s just a human being.

I liked the women of Marvel i know it was a bit cheesy but i did an internal yaay

The a Thanos bit was weird but remember it's a much younger Thanos before IW.

I defeated the avengers women bit. Why not have more women action throughout generally rather than a token scene. And really? Captain marvel needs help? I don't think so. Awful scene.

Detested even 😂

@Noeuf Not that much younger, only 4 years prior to IW. The Thanos at the start was decrepit because he'd snapped once and destroyed the gems afterwards.

I didn't like the women of Marvel bit, gotta admit I rolled my eyes. Perhaps I liked it less so because they'd barely touched on Black Widow dying and then afterwards she wasn't even mentioned. Perhaps I'm jaded though because I've lived through the recent Star Wars sequels trying to shoe horn Mary Sues left right and centre 😂

I thought the women of Marvel bit was more about CM not being a team player and that changing at the end.

I don't know re Thanos. Everything I read says he's the most powerful being in the universe etc etc .