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How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

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Hadmysay · 20/05/2025 19:54

It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 04:20

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:17

This is my point.
There are many factors why men do these things.
Pretending otherwise and engaging in whataboutism does women no favors as we've seen through recent history

@Hadmysay

Pretending otherwise and engaging in whataboutism does women no favors as we've seen through recent history

What have we seen in recent history?

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:26

Frateletheboss · 22/05/2025 10:02

Sorry but youre wrong.
India and Pakistan are two countries with the highest incidences of rapes (and it doesn't even get reported as much as it should do in these places) and the women are mostly fully clothed there

How do you know they have the highest incidents of rape?
You have nothing to back up your claim apart from guesswork.
This website says you are wrong btw. That doesn't mean I am 100 percent right and you are 100 percent wrong but guesswork shouldn't be something we use to back up our claims.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

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Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:30

User37482 · 22/05/2025 10:08

What strikes me is men walk around half naked yet women manage not to sexually assault men all the time. If we genuinely believe men are so incapable of controlling themselves we really should give them all a tag and a curfew.

Do I think sometimes people pass the point of decency yes. Do I think thats connected to rape, no not really. That exhibition, theres a little girls dress that just breaks my heart.

You are far far more likely to see women walk around half naked then men. This shouldn't even be an argument because you and I both know that.
Also unpopular opinion I do think men snd women are wired differently.

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Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:33

Frateletheboss · 22/05/2025 10:17

Men are more likely to be raped by other men than by women. It has nothing to do with clothes and everything to do with the victim being physically weaker.

Only because when it comes to the law to commit rape you need to have a penis.

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Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:40

CraneBeak · 22/05/2025 11:03

Can you clarify your question OP.

Are you asking whether women are more likely to get raped if they were short skirts?

Are you suggesting that women should cover up so that men aren't tempted to rape them?

Are you suggesting that women deserve to be raped?

There is no version of this argument that could ever be in good faith. Women never deserve or ask to be raped. They deserve and ask to live in safety form men, always. And anyway, there is no correlation.

Are you suggesting that women should cover up so that men aren't tempted to rape them?

Tbf I don't see why we shouldn't encourage women and girls to stop walking around half naked.
It's not like it's done anything positive for women,girls or society.
Infact it's done the opposite. It's caused a lot of damage.
Definitely not full burqa,hijab but it's not either or.
I'm coming around to the idea to have some laws on common decency without forcing girls to wear full blown burqa.

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GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 04:41

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:33

Only because when it comes to the law to commit rape you need to have a penis.

OMG. I've been taking you in good faith up to now, while strongly disagreeing with you, but this is a ridiculous reach! Serious sexual assault carries the same sentencing as rape in the UK (and in practice, women committing it get much harsher punishments than rapists).

Is there an epidemic of women committing serious sexual assault on men? The very same men who whip their shirts off the minute the sun shines; whose arse cracks (and sometimes whole arses) are on casual display every time they bend over; who spend half their time in the gym posing with their muscles popped; who swarm over market towns every summer in their breathtakingly revealing cycle shorts?

By your logic, there should be, shouldn't there!

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:44

Brefugee · 22/05/2025 11:12

Whores, prostitutes, call-girls, escorts etc etc do not deserve to be raped either.

nobody does

men are the problem. Everywhere whether or not women have rights or not, are allowed to wear what they want or not.

Men. Are. The. Problem.

And added to that the police are a problem, the judiciary are a problem. To a greater or lesser degree according to where you are.

Men. Are. The. Problem.

I feel like society is the problem

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Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:51

Jbo17 · 22/05/2025 11:22

Exactly! You’re spot on. If men can’t control themselves they should all be tagged & given curfews. Men wear way less than women and we control ourselves. It’s absolute rubbish they can’t control themselves. That’s a massive excuse & a way to blame women for bad men. I do not believe what a woman wears matters. Rapists are rapists regardless.

Men wear way less than women

You and I both know that's not true.

Never have I gone out on a night out and seen a group of men walking around like this.
vm.tiktok.com/ZNdhHJqdj/
In cold weather btw.

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Vplop · 23/05/2025 04:52

I think the way women dress comes down to self respect. Women can look feminine and beautiful without having their boobs out and wearing short skirts. The way we dress sends a message to the world, whether we like it or not.

We disrespect ourselves and jeopardise our safety when we put ourselves on display and purposefully encourage men to objectify us.

Women should have a sense of agency and responsibility. It’s not safe to walk the streets alone at night, get blind drunk, go to a man’s house straight from a dating app and wear tiny clothes. You make yourself a target for predators because you make it easy for them.

This is the world we live in, of course it shouldn’t happen but it does.

Most men are not predators and will not rape women. But it just takes being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong man once.

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:55

KurtansCurtain · 22/05/2025 11:40

Surely in countries where women are unable to divorce abusive husbands or seek help for abuse, they’re arguably more likely to be raped?

marital rape is still rape

Women are allowed to divorce in both saudi and kuwait

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GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 05:00

How sweet that you have such a good opinion of Kuwait, OP. In February this year (2025), Kuwait amended its Personal Status Law No. 51/1984 and Jaafari Personal Status Law No. 124/2019, citing alarming rates of child marriage. In 2024 alone, 1,145 underage marriages were registered, including 1,079 girls and 66 boys.

As far as I can tell, they haven't withdrawn 'article 24' which allows a rapist to marry his victim, regardless of age.

You should read this news report: https://www.arabnews.com/node/2594529/middle-east

You certainly can't claim Arab girls are sashaying around these countries in skimpy clothes.

Why efforts to protect children from early marriage have faltered in the Middle East

LONDON: In a bid to protect the rights of children, Kuwait recently raised the minimum age of marriage to 18. However, the fight against child marriage across the Arab world remains an uphill battle, particularly in conflict-ridden regions. In mid-Febr...

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2594529/middle-east

Thisshirtisonfire · 23/05/2025 05:04

I think we've had hundreds of years of history of women trying to take responsibility for male behaviour by being as demure and pure and religious and whatever else.. to try and stop their violence.
Guess what.. it didn't work. If anything it's the opposite.

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:06

LucyMonth · 22/05/2025 11:40

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/natureofsexualassaultbyrapeorpenetrationenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#amount-and-type-of-sexual-assault-experienced

“For the years ending March 2017 and March 2020 combined, victims who experienced sexual assault by rape or penetration since the age of 16 years were most likely to be victimised by their partner or ex-partner (44%). This was closely followed by someone who was known to them other than a partner or family member (37%), which includes friends (12%) and dates (10%)”

So no, when you have this many people being raped by someone they know what they are wearing has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Rape isn’t about sex. There has been an abundance of research into the psychology of rapists and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what their victim was wearing.

For example “specialist rapists” are people who are aroused by the lack of consent. “Partner rapists” tend to rape as a form of punishment towards their partner. “High mating effort rapists” are what today we’d call incels. They believe they are owed sex if they pay for meal. Btw the last two are more common in more conservative countries where women dress more modestly because culturally woman are seen as they’re partners property. So your random assessment that rape occurs less in Middle Eastern countries is unsubstantiated. In many of these countries rape within a marriage isn’t a crime and sex outside a marriage is. So unmarried women who are raped don’t report it as they themselves can be accused of “zina” and end up in prison. It’s the most common reason for women to be imprisoned in these countries. In Afghanistan it’s 95% of women who are imprisoned for “zina”

There are life factors that make someone more likely to rape. For example someone who experienced abuse of any kind as a child is 5 x more likely to become a rapist. Alcoholics are 2.6 x more likely to commit rape. Some subject to adult trauma, such as war, is 2.5 x more likely to rape.

As for children…this is a an odd dichotomy. People like the woman in your first Tik Tok are under the false impression that children wearing “revealing” or “sexualised” clothing puts them at great risk of assault, but it doesn’t. It is highly unpleasant to think about but research into pedophilia has shown that these people like kids who look like kids. They are attracted to their childishness. They are attracted to their innocence. So an 8 year old who dresses like a 16 year old isn’t what they want. They want an 8 year old.

You can find interviews with pedophiles where they talk about becoming disgusted with a child they were assaulting as soon as signs of puberty started to show. Sprouting breasts and widening hips are not what they are looking for.

Pedophiles tend to go for children in a very specific age range and it is usually the age they were when they started to be assaulted themselves. Their sexuality never matures beyond that point. You don’t tend to see pedophiles who assault 13 year old girls and 5 year old girls. They have a “type”. Those who don’t have a “type”, such as Ian Brady, show signs that what they are aroused by is sexual deviancy rather than the child themselves. It’s the knowing that they are doing something deplorable.

But sure let’s reduce all this down to short skirts.

It's not just about short skirts I'm arguing it's not the only factor but a big factor in the uk. Different countries and cultures have different contributing factors why bad things happen.
In the uk the way young white girls and women dressed was a contributing factor why white girls were seen as "easy" by those pakistani grooming gangs and preyed upon. Which I am not saying is right but I'm telling you what it is.
Also you mention pedophiles but what about ephebophiles? And hebophiles?

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 05:07

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 04:51

Men wear way less than women

You and I both know that's not true.

Never have I gone out on a night out and seen a group of men walking around like this.
vm.tiktok.com/ZNdhHJqdj/
In cold weather btw.

I can't believe you're showing that stalky, judgemental shit.

Some weirdo films women on a night out and you're using it as what? Evidence they deserve to get raped?

It's been said many times on this thread that you're more likely to be raped by someone you know than a stranger but that doesn't fit with your biased mindset.

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:21

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/05/2025 11:57

What mixed messages?

Louise perry has touched on this.
It's a long video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pdCDq_MTj4&pp=ygUbbG91aXNlIHBlcnJ5IGRpYXJ5IG9mIGEgY2Vv0gcJCY0JAYcqIYzv

Basically on one hand we tell boys not to objectify girls but on the other hand girls constantly objectify themselves. It really doesn't make sense. Either objectification is bad or it's not.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 05:21

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:21

Louise perry has touched on this.
It's a long video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pdCDq_MTj4&pp=ygUbbG91aXNlIHBlcnJ5IGRpYXJ5IG9mIGEgY2Vv0gcJCY0JAYcqIYzv

Basically on one hand we tell boys not to objectify girls but on the other hand girls constantly objectify themselves. It really doesn't make sense. Either objectification is bad or it's not.

What do you mean by objectify themselves?

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:24

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 22/05/2025 12:08

There is a big problem in our local secondary school with all the girls rolling up the tops of their skirts so they are shorter.
You can see their knickers quite often.
They don't wear tights anymore just knee high socks.
I am not saying short skirt allows for rape but I do think it attracts sexual attention.
And the attention, from what I see, is from dirty old men.

Also, I am going to get flamed for this.... but 90% of the girls at our local secondary are very overweight. So fat thighs bulging out under a mini skirt and fat knees rolling over knee high socks looks awful.

Not saying girls should cover up. Not saying fat people should cover up - suggesting there are ways to dress that look better!

Not saying girls should cover up.

Why not? Why are people so afraid to say it how it is?
That is what you want to say so say it.
Ill say it.
They should cover up.
It's not good for society for so many women to be walking around half naked let alone school girls.

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Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:27

Toseland · 22/05/2025 12:54

I don't think they rape gangs target white girls because of how they dress, many were in school uniform. It's because of racism, they see white girls as lesser because they are white and not Muslim.

Yes and a big reason for that is how they dress.
The rolled up skirts,the cleavage in show compares to how British pakistani muslim girls dress its the polar opposite.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 05:30

@Hadmysay

It's not good for society for so many women to be walking around half naked let alone school girls.

Why isn't it good for society?

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:32

KnitFastDieWarm · 22/05/2025 13:18

this. It’s not the exposed female body that’s the issue, it’s the idea that women’s bodies are objects to be used and abused.

it’s the idea that women’s bodies are objects to be used

And walking around half naked somehow makes them think otherwise?

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Neurodiversitydoctor · 23/05/2025 05:39

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:24

Not saying girls should cover up.

Why not? Why are people so afraid to say it how it is?
That is what you want to say so say it.
Ill say it.
They should cover up.
It's not good for society for so many women to be walking around half naked let alone school girls.

They are experimenting with their nascent sexuality, it is a normal developmental stage and why not ? Youth is beauty. 13-16 year old girls have been wearing short skirts for the last 60 years these teenagers' grannies did it. Time to get over it OP.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 23/05/2025 05:43

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:32

it’s the idea that women’s bodies are objects to be used

And walking around half naked somehow makes them think otherwise?

The point is it's their body for them to use. My DD (18) didn't always wear what I would have liked her too, she got piercings and dyed her hair. One this I was clear about was that it was her body and her choice. As I said to her "I don't care who you have sex with as long as it's the sex you want to have". Personally I think that attitude that her body belongs to her is more protective than longer hem lines.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 05:44

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:32

it’s the idea that women’s bodies are objects to be used

And walking around half naked somehow makes them think otherwise?

Why aren't you responding to my questions?

Respond to this: when did you realise you were a misogynist?

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:46

AllotmentTime · 22/05/2025 13:37

I do find it funny that everyday we talk about the negative side effects of pornography on society and how it contributes to rape culture due to constant sexual images of women yet when it comes to how women and girls dress in this country i,e constant sexual images now it somehow doesn't contribute to rape. Which one is it.

Pornography is images of people having actual sex. The women have often been trafficked. It's often violent in portrayal / in reality / both. It's often extreme. It normalises sex that is neither respectful nor consensual. It absolutely contributes to rape culture.

A thirteen year old walking to school in a rolled up skirt* is not a sexual image. Is not pornography. Is not making any kind of commentary on sex or porn. Is not contributing to rape culture.

*or to widen this from your question OP, any person going about their non-sex-related business wearing anything

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Edited

A thirteen year old walking to school in a rolled up skirt

Of course it's a sexual image.
Why do you think prostitutes in countries like thailand and colombia wear their skirts that length ?
For no reason?

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/05/2025 05:47

Hadmysay · 23/05/2025 05:46

A thirteen year old walking to school in a rolled up skirt

Of course it's a sexual image.
Why do you think prostitutes in countries like thailand and colombia wear their skirts that length ?
For no reason?

You're getting even more offensive. You're talking about children. They're not prostitutes. You're coming across as racist as well.

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