How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

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It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

@CocoChaneI
Erm, you’re wrong it is not run by women, Never heard of Andrè Leon Talley? Edward Enniful? Christine Dior? Gianni Versace? To name a few. Most of these men are GAY. These men are the ones designing and dictating the trends, so let’s be honest here, fashion is not run by women. What about men’s fashion? You think women are also running that.

Also interesting that your name is Coco Chanel. You do know Yves Saint Laurent, her friend was inspired by her work. Also a man.

Stranger rape maybe.

Look closer to home and there'll be plenty of rape and abuse. Probably more so.

I didn't talk about Burkas.

I'll explain the sequence of the posts to you.

You said Are they the only two choices?

I offered a third. I didn't write the initial post. I moved away from discussing women and girl's clothes.

We used to do that in the 80s. My Mum did it in the 60s.
We were more roll skirts up and roll socks down though.

It's nothing to do with recent times.

If you think putting men in zoos or blinding them sounds extreme, it really is! It is ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as discussing what women are wearing in the context of a discussion about rape. Almost.

I think if you suggested putting rapists in zoos then there'd be a bit less objection. Currently they do get put behind bars when evidence is sufficient for a conviction (which is often the difficult bit).

The issue is that a lot of people in these discussions don't differentiate between 'men' and 'rapists'. Most rapists are men but most men aren't rapists, which is why it's seen as ridiculous to put men in zoos.

Most child abusers are female but we don't suggest putting women in zoos for good reason.

You may want to cover up, OP. Your internalised misogyny is showing.

I meant imprisoning all men in zoos in order to ensure the rapists among them are also imprisoned. I am seeking to draw a parallel between the ludicrousness of that approach and the ludicrousness of citing clothing as relevant to rape. I accept I may not have been very clear.

Men shouldn’t rape. End of. There should be no need to discuss women’s behaviour or dress. The problem is men. There are occasions when both men and women should dress appropriately- work, formal occasions etc but the same standards should apply and it’s nothing to do with risk of rape.

ALL rapists are men. Under British Law, women can’t rape. Rape is defined as penetration with a penis and women don’t have dicks. So yes, you are wrong.

Where’s your evidence that most child abusers are women? What kind of child abuse as there are many forms? Are most women also sexual abusing children?

I’m trying to explain that men only experience sexuality through the lens of testosterone because that’s all they know. They take their own experience and project it. It’s not surprising that they should be flummoxed by female sexual behavior until they learn better. I don’t think it’s a particularly controversial point to make.

Urghhhh - No. No a woman is not more likely to be raped because of her clothes.

I do not like children in revealing clothes (boys or girls) but relating it to the likelihood of being raped perpetuates the ‘those types of girls’ rhetoric.

which in turn justifies misogynist behaviour- and ultimately makes us all more likely to get raped.

I didn't understand your post that way. You seemed to be suggesting that men don't understand criminal activity, can't control themselves and don't understand that women are autonomous beings who aren't on earth to serve their sexual needs.

I don't like to see little girls in 'sexy' clothing because the purpose of such clothing, when you boil it down, is to attract sexual desire. This is a basic function of adult human life. It's inappropriate for children.

Wanting to attract sexual desire is NOT the same thing as wanting to attract sexual violence. If you can't tell the difference between desire and violence, you're malfunctioning badly. You may be a risk to society and possibly shouldn't be allowed out.

It's a pretty well known fact that the main perpetrator of overall child abuse is the mother. Men are only over represented in sexual abuse.

Is it? Where is the evidence of this well known fact? And with that, I assume that your data takes into consideration the fact that more women raise children than men…

But I agree that putting all men in a zoo is not a great idea.

My kids would be pretty pissed if their dad had to move into a zoo just for being male!

All men are hypothetically a threat to women - just like all adults are hypothetically a threat to children.

And all humans are a threat to animals. We can’t really just lock up every group who poses a threat to another.

We can’t really just lock up every group who poses a threat to another.

Yet women are made to wear clothes that cover them up and in some countries can't even meet the eyes of men.

No I am not a man and just to be clear I am not saying how women dress is the only reason why rape happens.
I am saying in certain environments and countries,countries such as England it is a big contributing factor.

You ask me where I get my facts from I tell you then you automatically say it's not true.
What makes you think you are so correct and i am wrong?
Where are your facts?

In the two countries I mentioned child marriage and forced marriage are extremely rare

Back of a cereal packet?

Again does pornography contribute to rape culture or not ? Let's see if you can answer

Does pornography contribute to rape culture?
I would like you to answer this.

This is my point.
There are many factors why men do these things.
Pretending otherwise and engaging in whataboutism does women no favors as we've seen through recent history

Yes of course.