How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

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It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

You believe women and girls are dressing in such a way in order to arouse sexual desire in men

Omg are you alright?
Many of them are.
There's evidence behind this.
Some of you are just clueless I'm sorry.

https://journals.scholarpublishing.org/index.php/ASSRJ/article/download/4218/2597/10960&ved=2ahUKEwjM3qa8voGOAxXKa0EAHVUmNeAQFnoECFEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3pXTzfGj82HM_4qP8E027_

I believe women and girls dress in such a way because they think they look nice. Children especially have no idea about perverts.

I'm trying to be polite when I say this but I have to be honest, how does dressing like a prostitute look nice? I'm sorry to be crass but we need to have an honest discussion now because they don't look nice. At all. Let's ask the question why do so many girls think they need to show more skin to look "nice" or that they need to be scantily clad in minus degrees weather,or wearing a short skirt so short you can't even sit down properly in? Who has brainwashed us into doing these things? A lot of these things were done to stimulate male sexual urges the point that has been made in the pdf document you will receive in this reply. Can we ever have an honest debate or is it going to be the same old same old. "We shUd Be ablE tewware wotWe wAnt" without acknowledging any form of damage or consequences

Well then nothing will change then. Let's carry on with the way things are

Yep just as I thought. You won't answer because you know the truth.. You know it's a net negative for women but your ego won't allow you to admit it

No another reason WAS because they viewed white women was easy because in our culture it's normal to sleep around. Much normal back then.
Way more common compared to their culture and another reason was how we dress. Do you want to know how I know this? Because many of them have told me themselves.
Again I'm not blaming the victims but I am acknowledging reasons why these girls were seen like this.

https://journals.scholarpublishing.org/index.php/ASSRJ/article/download/4218/2597/10960&ved=2ahUKEwjM3qa8voGOAxXKa0EAHVUmNeAQFnoECFEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3pXTzfGj82HM_4qP8E027_

Look at this pdf document

Look. You cannot and will never convince me its a good thing for so many women to be walking around half naked,just like your never going to convince me it's a good thing for schoolgirls everywhere you look to have their skirts so short you can see what they had for breakfast.
That's the oversexualization of women and a form of sexism in itself.

I'm a woman that cares about women and girls.
It's not healthy.
Also last time I checked people who encourage schoolgirls to show more of their skin are called pedophiles. And it's not me that's encouraging that I'll tell you that.
I even had one user on here say it's a right of passage for them to walk around like this.
That's encouraging paedophilia as far as I'm concerned and it's sick.

Attitudes like yours are actually what drives rape culture. You should be ashamed.

Attitudes like what? Acknowledging that many of us have been brainwashed to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices for the male gaze which hasn't exactly done anything good for us and it's lead to more harm than good

I will answer if you can provide the evidence I asked for. That's how it works. I live near a large secondary school. The vast majority of the girls wear trousers...

I just had a look at your article. Surprise, itsìn authors include someone from the religious studies department, and it's a study of a single university in Ghana.

That's a case study. It proves nothing.

Look.

The problem isn’t how women dress and whether the “male gaze” approves of it, it’s that the male gaze should find something else to look at.

Women should be able to wear whatever they please, within basic decency laws, without worrying whether Ian the builder is going to stare at them or attack them. We’re all entitled to get dressed, fairly basic request isn’t it.

A woman in shorts isn’t trying to attract male attention, asking to be raped, or responsible for how other people judge her clothing. She’s just a woman, in shorts.

You literally said men can’t control themselves and women should make it easier for them by covering up. Those attitudes.

Had a look. Interestingly, the most predominant styles of clothing seem to be trousers and top or skinny trousers and tops.

Ironically, we once again seem to have Shroedinger’s woman present there once again. According to the male participants, a majority think the female students ALWAYS wear sexually attractive attire , and at the same time a majority also think their style of clothing is old fashioned. Explain that one.

Men see what they want to see in order to justify their abuse. Women like you hand them those reasons on a platter.

You're personally acquainted with members of the grooming gangs?

Again we disagree. How about we come down like a tonne of bricks on predatory male behaviour. Introduce on the spot fines for harassment, speed up the court system, properly prosecute abusers.

It's not me who sounds deranged. How people think they look is entirely subjective. You seem obsessed with sex and male sexual urges, repressed religious types often are.

Why don't you focus all that energy on educating men about how to treat women?

The point isn’t whether some women do things that are ‘unhealthy life choices’ (your words not mine).

The point is that when you begin to create laws that only apply to one demographic of people, those people inevitably become oppressed and worse off than they were before.

Let’s take this country, you seem to be pretty pro Islamic countries so maybe you’ll understand this.

Muslim women in this country who do choose to cover up often face horrible (Islamophobic) abuse on the streets. To protect them from this, we could create laws that say Muslims are only allowed out during certain hours of the day. This would solve the street abuse problem…but lead to much worse ones.

I’m also not suggesting that your clothes thing would solve the issue of rape…

But let’s just say for your sake it did improve it…By taking away the freedoms of only one group (women), you are saying that they should be governed by another. That another group should have so much power over them that they get to decide how they behave and if they don’t conform, the governing group (men in this case, or non-Muslims in the above analogy) should be able to punish them. This is abuse in itself.

And will lead to oppression. Think of anywhere in the world where one group has the power to make laws which only apply to one group and that group inevitably becomes oppressed.

What evidence are you referring to?

Or maybe address the twisted ideas that men who share OP's outlook have about women. They see women only as adjuncts to men in one way or another - put on earth to serve mens needs or "tempt" them, not as independent beings with a life of their own. This mindset will always blame men's failings particularly sexual ones on women. So address these warped male attitudes and behaviours and sense of entitlement. Make men responsible for their own behaviours, and stop making excuses for them.
Your original question OP was about female dress in western countries. Western countries enjoyed the Enlightenment which produced among other good things, valuing liberty and equality, and the right to question and use reason, not just blind prejudice. From this developed the rights of the individual as a person made by God. Women are put on earth to live their own life as they choose. They are not owned by another, nor should they be controlled by anyone. That includes what they wear. Individual people are responsible for themselves. If they commit a sex crime they and only they are responsible. The misogynistic cultures that you seem to be keen on did not enjoy the fruits of the western Enlightenment and are therefore stuck in the dark ages.

LOL. There's nothing 'unhealthy' about clothes. You seem quite unwell though.

Women should be able to wear whatever they please,

But they can't and the sooner people realize this the better.

They evidently can, OP.

You dont need to answer I already know that you know it's a net negative for women

The problem isn’t how women dress and whether the “male gaze” approves of it, it’s that the male gaze should find something else to look at.

Yeah that's really gonna work lol.
Some of you are actually clueless to how the male brain works but carry on. Carry on engaging in unhealthy lifestyles then expecting different results that you won't get

So? It's not like they are wrong