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MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 03:36

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:32

Yes, and millions of men.

Men have a higher likelihood of being rapists. Feminists seem to have a higher likelihood of having a personality disorder.

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You're hilarious. Woman as hysteric. Refreshingly original.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 03:37

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:30

OK, I've got to....

Motives behind rape vary and are difficult to quantify. However, studies show that rapists have some common characteristics:
- a lack of empathy
- narcissism
- feelings of hostility towards women

So empathy is a big part of it apparently. And the studies upthread were talking about how people have less empathy towards sexually objectified women (those wearing revealing clothing).

I think it's likely that a huge variety of factors come into play including power, objectification, sexual sadism, etc.

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Well yes, that's been mentioned several times.

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:39

Who said hysterical? More misanthropic I'd say. A lot don't even seem to like most women. Anybody who doesn't agree with them is a handmaiden or a pick me. It's kinda misogynistic at times tbh.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 03:43

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:39

Who said hysterical? More misanthropic I'd say. A lot don't even seem to like most women. Anybody who doesn't agree with them is a handmaiden or a pick me. It's kinda misogynistic at times tbh.

If you knew anything about feminism you'd get the reference. You obviously don't.

Exitin · 08/06/2025 03:51

Bex5490 · 07/06/2025 21:34

And if you go to Thailand, it tends to be old western men taking advantage of the relaxed laws on prostitution and the abuse of young women.

It’s always easy to think men from other cultures are worse than ours. Men are men - and abusers come in all shapes and colours.

The tendency to treat women from other cultures as less than and more acceptable to abuse is not exclusive to non western men.

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Yep. Again - it’s all just misogyny in various forms. It’s easier for them to get away with some of the stuff they do abroad than over here, so they fly to a country where they can more easily use their relative wealth and status to exploit and abuse women and children.

I visited a charity which tried to protect children in Thailand when I was in Bangkok.

Interesting how those so vocal about the “Asian grooming gangs” don’t care about or acknowledge all the men from here going over to participate in the abuse of minors and vulnerable women in Thailand etc

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:54

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 03:43

If you knew anything about feminism you'd get the reference. You obviously don't.

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I know exactly what you're referring to. It's basically feminism 101 that every student feminist goes on about. Women are hysterical etc.

I meant who on this thread is calling women hysterical.

I'm saying that if the majority of women don't identify as feminists, then feminists are dismissing the majority of women as handmaidens when they take the view that anybody who disagrees with them is a 'pick me'. You could argue that dismissing the views and lived experience of the majority of women is misogynistic.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 04:18

MagicMichaelCaine · 08/06/2025 03:54

I know exactly what you're referring to. It's basically feminism 101 that every student feminist goes on about. Women are hysterical etc.

I meant who on this thread is calling women hysterical.

I'm saying that if the majority of women don't identify as feminists, then feminists are dismissing the majority of women as handmaidens when they take the view that anybody who disagrees with them is a 'pick me'. You could argue that dismissing the views and lived experience of the majority of women is misogynistic.

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You said feminists have a personality disorder ie there's something mentally wrong with them which has been thrown at women for centuries.

I'm not sure where you're getting all this 'handmaiden' stuff from but you need to get out more. As explained there are millions of feminists worldwide and they're not the same person.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 04:19

Exitin · 08/06/2025 03:51

Yep. Again - it’s all just misogyny in various forms. It’s easier for them to get away with some of the stuff they do abroad than over here, so they fly to a country where they can more easily use their relative wealth and status to exploit and abuse women and children.

I visited a charity which tried to protect children in Thailand when I was in Bangkok.

Interesting how those so vocal about the “Asian grooming gangs” don’t care about or acknowledge all the men from here going over to participate in the abuse of minors and vulnerable women in Thailand etc

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I think we can all see through the mouth breathers defending women's rights.

Noshadelamp · 08/06/2025 04:31

Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?
@Hadmysay

If by unfeminist you mean misogynistic then yes it is unfeminist to blame victims of crime for the violence committed against them by men.
im so sorry you can't see that.

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 12:00

Exitin · 08/06/2025 03:51

Yep. Again - it’s all just misogyny in various forms. It’s easier for them to get away with some of the stuff they do abroad than over here, so they fly to a country where they can more easily use their relative wealth and status to exploit and abuse women and children.

I visited a charity which tried to protect children in Thailand when I was in Bangkok.

Interesting how those so vocal about the “Asian grooming gangs” don’t care about or acknowledge all the men from here going over to participate in the abuse of minors and vulnerable women in Thailand etc

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Couldn’t agree more 👏👏👏

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 12:07

And @MiloMinderbinder925 I am a feminist.

I agree with 99% of your points. I simply questioned the idea that rapists solely abuse because of a desire to dominate which is always separate to sexual desire.

To which you were pretty passive aggressive and accused me of ‘weighing in’ on the conversation.

It’s like the MN checklist: adopt a patronising tone, demand evidence and accuse someone of derailing the thread…

Maybe you could go for the jugular and mention ‘whataboutary?’

😂

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 12:14

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 12:07

And @MiloMinderbinder925 I am a feminist.

I agree with 99% of your points. I simply questioned the idea that rapists solely abuse because of a desire to dominate which is always separate to sexual desire.

To which you were pretty passive aggressive and accused me of ‘weighing in’ on the conversation.

It’s like the MN checklist: adopt a patronising tone, demand evidence and accuse someone of derailing the thread…

Maybe you could go for the jugular and mention ‘whataboutary?’

😂

You haven't responded with the requested evidence but a series of personal and unnecessary remarks. You've interpreted my tone as patronising; I assume that's projection.

I'm very interested in the evidence you have to back up your claims and it would be great to get back to the topic of the thread.

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 12:36

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 12:14

You haven't responded with the requested evidence but a series of personal and unnecessary remarks. You've interpreted my tone as patronising; I assume that's projection.

I'm very interested in the evidence you have to back up your claims and it would be great to get back to the topic of the thread.

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The topic of the thread is redundant…

The question was does clothing cause rape to which the answer is an unequivocal no.

Then the question was should women change their clothes, behaviour actions to avoid being raped which was obviously still an unequivocal no!

I gave examples earlier of rapists who seem to attack the same ‘type’ of victim. And my question was, if it is always exclusively about power and dominance and never desire, then why is it that some seem to have a preferred victim ‘type’?

I am prepared to be wrong. Surely that’s the point of a discussion forum and I’m willing to listen if someone knows more than me 🤷🏽‍♀️.

But you have to admit, that your initial response to my posts:

Anyone would think you hadn't read the thread and just weighed in.

…was a little patronising.

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Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:28

Moglet4 · 07/06/2025 07:26

I’d put good money on them being raped more, often within marriage.

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I wouldn't.
Not in kuwait,Saudi or Qatar. Maybe somewhere like Afghanistan though but not in those countries I mentioned

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Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:34

Fitasafiddle1 · 07/06/2025 06:12

Op. You sound deeply unhappy at the sight of all of this flesh and humanity, but I love to see flowing summer dresses, to cycle in shorts and t shirts or wear a backless dress to a garden party! I don’t see anyone looking like sex workers where I live, so I am not sure where you are but this is certainly not my experience at all. Are you even in the U.K.?

Women here look elegant, comfortable and confident. We wear bikinis and swim and sail, we work in trousers and we celebrate our right to choose every day. I feel very safe, I feel very free.

I work in the legal field, and I see so much progress both now and in the future. Don’t lose hope, things are changing for the better..

I am sorry you are so tormented; clearly you have issues and irrational fears. Have you been harmed in some way?

You can be free too, you don’t need to be afraid. Statistically you are most likely to be attacked, if you are going to be, by a family member or friend, so it doesn’t actually matter what you wear my friend.

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Not unhappy.
But tbf I fear I'm preaching to the converted so do you.
If you want to engage in unhealthy,damaging lifestyle choices and objectify yourself under the guise of "feminism" and "freedom/freedumb so be it. You can't be helped or saved.
Do what you want.

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Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:36

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 07:01

@Hadmysay

There's a reason why muslim women in western countries such as Uk,Usa and France they are by far less likely to be victims of sex based crimes,rape sexual assault,grooming etc cthan the "western women" of those countries.

It's in response to this. It's based on a report: Unheard Voices: The Sexual Exploitation of Asian Girls and Young Women by the Muslim Women’s Network UK (MWNUK).

I've had to explain that to you because you're too lazy to read the article. Just as you're too lazy to take in the facts presented to you in your own thread. Just as you're continuing to repeat the same lazy rape myths and continuing to perpetuate rape culture.

I never said they never experience it. They experience it far less.
That's a fact. It's not my fault if you don't know about percentages.

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Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:39

pointythings · 07/06/2025 08:55

Absolutely. As I've mentioned, rape within marriage isn't a crime in many of those countries. That makes the selecgtively quoted data OP is presenting look soooo good.

As for young women wearing little on nights out in the UK: Have you ever been to a club? It's hot as Hades inside. And bringing a coat is often not an option because there's nowhere to put it where it won't get nicked.

And even with the above, the bottom line is that whatever you wear, it isn't a license for a man to rape you. The problem isn't what women wear. It's men. Men, men, men. So stop it with the pathetic victim blaming already.3

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Who said you have to wear a coat to not walk around half naked 😂? Funny how the men don't have to walk around half naked in clubs and not feel hot. Seems like an excuse to me.

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Moglet4 · 08/06/2025 17:45

Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:28

I wouldn't.
Not in kuwait,Saudi or Qatar. Maybe somewhere like Afghanistan though but not in those countries I mentioned

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Amnesty International disagrees with you with regard to Saudi - marital rape simply isn’t considered to be a crime - but you may well be right with the others.
www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/saudi-arabia-personal-status-law-codifies-discrimination-against-women/

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 17:51

Lol @Hadmysay I’m really starting to think you must be a troll to choose the feminist board to post this utter nonsense!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 18:21

Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:36

I never said they never experience it. They experience it far less.
That's a fact. It's not my fault if you don't know about percentages.

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Could you at least back up some of your gibberish with facts? Otherwise it's just misogynist ranting.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 18:22

Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:34

Not unhappy.
But tbf I fear I'm preaching to the converted so do you.
If you want to engage in unhealthy,damaging lifestyle choices and objectify yourself under the guise of "feminism" and "freedom/freedumb so be it. You can't be helped or saved.
Do what you want.

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Are you an incel?

Bex5490 · 08/06/2025 18:27

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/06/2025 18:22

Are you an incel?

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I was just about to say they should take themselves to an incel forum on Reddit!

pointythings · 08/06/2025 18:27

Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 17:39

Who said you have to wear a coat to not walk around half naked 😂? Funny how the men don't have to walk around half naked in clubs and not feel hot. Seems like an excuse to me.

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Have you been to clubs in the UK and seen what men wear? Bet you haven't.

As for your 'percentages' - you're going to have to do a lot better than random Wikipedia pages. You do realise that I could hop onto Wikipedia and write a lot of information, don't you?

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Hadmysay · 08/06/2025 18:27

EvelynBeatrice · 07/06/2025 09:56

@Hadmysay
Supposing somewhere in your arguments there’s a grain of truth. Suppose that a significant number of men are so physically, intellectually, ethically and morally weak and religiously deficient as to be unable to control their urges and desires and prioritise what is right.

Your ‘solution’ is to require women and girls to modify their dress and behaviour presumably. But why? Ask yourself if that’s because deep inside you think that women are less important - that they have a responsibility to accomodate men first - that they are just ‘support’ persons, rather than human beings with rights of their own.

The females aren’t hurting anyone else - why should they be the ones to change/ be restricted? They aren’t the ones going round shouting abusive comments at males, spitting or hissing at them, making assumptions about them based on the colour of their skins or ethnic or religious affiliations, or age or sexually assaulting or raping. They are not ‘causing’ crime.

Ask yourself why you are not suggesting heavy policing and criminal penalties for men including the banning of porn etc, possibly a curfew at night. Why are extreme religious regimes not controlling male movement and freedom to abuse/ rape? Where are the men being taught not to ogle women, to treat them with respect, or being blinded or castrated for sexual harassment and abuse, instead of the women being raped, whipped and stoned?

Your ‘solution’ is to require women and girls to modify their dress and behaviour presumably

Yes I would because women aren't perfect. We have our own issues or should I say demons to overcome just like men. If women are stupidly objectifying themselves and engaging in damaging behaviour because theyve been brainwashed to then your damn right I would tell them to modify their dress.
I mean come on we are fighting for the right for women and young girls to dress like prostitutes for crying out loud.

The females aren’t hurting anyone else - why should they be the ones to change/ be restricted

They are hurting people. There's implications and serious consequences on the wider society. Men,women,boys and girls

Ask yourself why you are not suggesting heavy policing and criminal penalties for men including the banning of porn

Tbf I've always said that IF we banned pornography,implemented a ban on wearing skimpy clothes like some sort of indecency law and had slightly more gender segregation (definitely not everywhere) and taught young boys about consent in schools,rape would decrease drastically but a lot of women like the ones in this wouldnt want it. There would be many women that want their rights to engage in damaging,unhealthy behaviour then complain about the outcome

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pointythings · 08/06/2025 18:34

I mean come on we are fighting for the right for women and young girls to dress like prostitutes wear what they want for crying out loud.

There, fixed that for you.

The way you look down on sex workers is also not making you look good, BTW. Many are victims. Of men.