How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

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It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

And I don't care what you think of my opinions. If you're on a discussion board and can't handle discussion then that's on you.

And no I don't identify as a feminist. Most women don't. I fully support equal rights but so many feminists seem like toxic individuals. That's not something I really want to align with.

You keep dismissing research because it's done by 'feminists'. If you have contempt for women who believe in equal rights and are dismissive of their work, I don't understand why you're on the feminist board.

Regarding your anecdote, rape culture means that women blame themselves for being attacked. That's why rape myths need to be challenged. He was a sexual predator and a criminal.

You've made that obvious and don't seem to know much about feminism.

I lived in Kuwait , and now Malaysia - both Muslim countries. I didn’t have to cover in Kuwait but it’s accepted you don’t wear anything shorter than knee
length and cover your shoulders. Didn’t bother me doing that , plus it’s better as it’s so hot! In Malaysia it’s a lot more relaxed - lots of skimpy tops and shorts (obviously not from the Muslim population here). In both countries I’ve felt extremely safe and have been treated with the utmost respect from men. I’m not saying SA doesn’t happen in these countries as it invariably does, but I would have no qualms walking down the street at night here or in Kuwait , but would back in the UK.

I'm not dismissing any research. I'm asking for it to be posted so I can read it! What I'm dismissing are the repeated claims which don't have any supporting evidence or just have statements like "lots of studies show that....".

If there are lots of studies then where are they? Maybe I'd agree with you if I saw some data, but most of the data I'm seeing on this thread suggests the jury is still out.

And I don't judge feminists on what they claim to be about. I judge them on what they say and do. Many seem to be more sexist than the majority of men! They just think it's OK because <insert weak justification>.

But I think it's pretty clear that feminists could hardly be called unbiased on matters relating to gender.

What do you mean by feminist?

I'm broadly talking about people who identify as feminists. There's a lot of variation but definitely a lot of them are pretty extreme. Most women in the UK and wider Europe no longer identify as feminist nowadays when asked, although feminists will try and say they are.

The distinction is that feminists will often define it as 'believing in equality' because they know it's hard not to agree with that. However, when you survey women they start to give reasons like 'negative attitudes towards men' and 'extreme views' as the reasons they don't identify as such.

No normal woman thinks a male curfew is a sane idea, for instance.

Lol, just seen the male curfew was suggested earlier on this thread. 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.dw.com/en/the-pelicot-case-the-psychology-of-a-rapist/a-54814540

https://archive.ph/dQWyV

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9291727/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311886.2022.2064589#abstract

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/media-spotlight/201702/why-does-rape-happen

How come female curfews aren't hilarious?

There are lots of different types of feminists throughout the world. You seem to be basing your views on stereotypes and negative views without having read feminist literature, in fact you're openly dismissive of it.

You say that rape is about power not sex. But then your first source says:

Evolutionary biologist Randy Thornhill and evolutionary anthropologist Craig Palmer believe that the primary motive behind rape is indeed sex. They argue that rape is an adaptation — a result of Darwinian selection and are of the opinion that it evolved to increase the reproductive success of men. They point out that most victims are women of childbearing age, saying this supports their hypothesis that rape derives from a desire to reproduce.

It's one hypothesis. If you read further you'll find that the 'biological' theory of rape is contentious and biased.

I stated that I base my view of feminists on how they act. That's usually the best judge of character. After all, Donald Trump would probably disagree that he was a misogynist if you asked him outright.

I do like some though. Have a lot of respect for JK Rowling for putting her money where her mouth is in spite of much public slander.

Those who suggest male curfews though. The loony bin is that way lol. 👉

There are millions of feminists throughout the world, how do they all act?

And those who impose curfews on women?

OK, I've got to....

Motives behind rape vary and are difficult to quantify. However, studies show that rapists have some common characteristics:
- a lack of empathy
- narcissism
- feelings of hostility towards women

So empathy is a big part of it apparently. And the studies upthread were talking about how people have less empathy towards sexually objectified women (those wearing revealing clothing).

I think it's likely that a huge variety of factors come into play including power, objectification, sexual sadism, etc.

Like who? That's just as bad. Why would you think otherwise?

Yes, and millions of men.

Men have a higher likelihood of being rapists. Feminists seem to have a higher likelihood of having a personality disorder.

Afghanistan and other authoritarian states where women need permission to do anything from their husband or male relatives.

OK, sorry that was a bit facetious. 😂 But some feminists are just too negative with the victim stuff all the time. It gets tiresome.

Well, it's hardly a revelation that Afghanistan isn't a great place for women.