Julie Bindel and JK Rowling laughing about the Musk Nazi salute incident

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Thought someone might have already done a thread on this. I don’t always agree with Bindel but had a lot of time for her, but this has really surprised me. Not sure why they would be finding it amusing - Musk and Trump are hardly figures of fun, for feminists especially, whatever you think of the (clearly far right!) salute.

Ok I apologise if I misunderstood your comment.

Are you alright?

When someone makes a strawman, of course I point out it is a strawman?

Did you have a stroke or something?

There is currently another thread on this topic where it is repeatedly linked to. Look it up if you want but you already know that you will clalm its not the same, even though its a gesture over the heart and then outstretched arm to the audience, but its not quite as stiff as Musk's movements, despite all Musk's movements being stiff, so doesn't count and Musk is still a nazi. Just like you claim no-one has explained what the gesture was about even though people repeatedly have on this very thread.

@MrGHardy

Why are you lying? I haven't dismissed peoples' explanation. I have asked for evidence.

If it is readily available, why has no one bothered to post it here? In fact, you above claimed it was, and now it's in a different thread.

I see you are already making excuses as to why I will potentially claim the two gestures are not the same. Hilarious.

Oh come on now! This is laughable. You have to be trolling now.

Very obviously that poster did not think you think Musk is literally Hitler as Hitler is in fact dead, as I think you know. If you didn't, I apologise it explains why you thought your 'straw men defence' wasn't completely bonkers. I hope the news of Hitler's demise is not too much of a shock to you.

|But back to reality, you know that poster was using Hitler as a metaphor, in that you think Musk is a nazi and will use his position of considerable influence and power to implement his nazi like views. People on this thread are already trying to compare the current situation to the rise of the Third Reich.

This ridiculous hyperbole and smearing by the Left helped to turn people away from the Democrats.

What took you so long?

But yes, claiming these two are the same is cute. Expected nothing less. Is that why you never linked it until now? Because you knew it's bs?

No its not excuses, its the crap arguments already made by people like you who want to insist Musk is a nazi. We all know you are not engaging in good faith and nothing will ever be ' evidence; enough for you.

Oh what a surprise! A hand over the heart and then extended - by one man I like - NOT A NAZI

By a man I dislike - NAZI

There's that tedious word again. 'Align'. It's almost as though if it's repeated on enough of a loop it will begin to be internalized as truth. It's actually Orwellian. 'And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth'.

Here's the clue. If you only 'align' with a wrong 'un over a single issue, then your views and the wrong 'un's views are very obviously not in alignment.

You're welcome.

I am not American, why are you making claims about "people turning away from the Democrats"? I am also not "the left", fwiw I have been banned from multiple subreddits for speaking out against identity politics. You sound very much like all those podcasters who start off "just questioning" and end up with the right wing grift.

Where did I say I thought the poster said I claimed he is literally like Hitler? Yes, a metaphor I hadn't used. Calling someone a Nazi and calling someone Hitler (metaphorically or in any other way you want to come up with) are not the same.

I don't like Macron...

But let's play. The gestures are not the same, you should go to specsavers if you think they are, the body language is completely different, the facial expression completely different. Macron isn't aligned with Tommy Robinson in the UK or the AfD in Germany. Nor does he have a daughter who called it for what it is. He doesn't have a history of online far right activity.

But I guess he is awkward. Yea, that's what it was (:

I never said you were American. Neither am I. But calling Republicans nazis and fascist and other ludicrous names did not help the Democrats.

I think there is a wider lesson for, well everyone, in how not to turn off potential supporters, and how not to poison your own mind, by demonising those with different views from you with ludicrous smears.

That is no problem whatsoever, its a really difficult subject and i sometimes don’t explain myself very well

"I never indulge in personal insults"

"deeply unpleasant individual"

"just embarrassing"

"You are frankly coming across as unhinged"

🤔

What does me saying Elon did the Hitler salute have to do with American politics or Democrats calling Republicans Nazis?

Or is that your real and only problem? By association, if Elon did do the Nazi salute, then his supporters must be Nazis?

@MrGHardy i was obviously making an exception, for you.

I am sure that's it, an exception, and you never treat anyone else questioning you this way. Ever. You are a lovely person, after all.

I wonder if people's perceptions about Musk's intentions have changed after all the Nazi jokes he made, that the ADL are finally now condemning, and making an appearance at the AfD rally telling far right Germans to basically stop feeling guilty about the Holocaust the day before Holocaust memorial day?

@PrinnyPree are the ADL now saying it was a Nazi salute? I’ve had a google but can’t find anything.

Jews have been making Nazi jokes for decades, see The Producers, Woody Allen, Curb Your Enthusiasm etc. It was a particular staple of American TV and movies in the 60s which I guess explains the fascination someone like Quentin Tarantino has with the subject.

You surely can't be comparing Jewish filmmakers with gallows humour and who 100% recognise the horrors of the holocaust to someone who is NOT Jewish making Nazi jokes following a perceived Nazi salute and then attending a far right rally in Germany telling far right Germans to not feel guilty about the holocaust. 🤯

@PrinnyPree no you’re right, I’m not comparing it. I’m just pointing out that Nazi related jokes have a very long history, made by both Jews and non Jews. The embrace of humour by Jews is to their enormous credit as is their reluctance to be outraged by them.

Personally I agree that the present population of Germany should not be made to feel guilty for the Holocaust. I have a number of German friends who are completely scarred by the weight of this inheritance and I don’t think it’s helpful. They were not responsible for what their ancestors did.

So have the ADL changed their mind on whether it was a Nazi salute?

Ancestors? This is living history. Many, many people who were party members or collaborators were active participants in society until recently. There’s a difference between guilt and reckoning with a very dark, very much still present part of history and culture.
And not sure who appointed you ‘voice of the Jews’ to decide what ‘they’ do and don’t find funny?

Ancestors? This is living history. Many, many people who were party members or collaborators were active participants in society until recently. There’s a difference between guilt and reckoning with a very dark, very much still present part of history and culture.
And not sure who appointed you ‘voice of the Jews’ to decide what ‘they’ do and don’t find funny?