Julie Bindel and JK Rowling laughing about the Musk Nazi salute incident

[HumHU3]

Thought someone might have already done a thread on this. I don’t always agree with Bindel but had a lot of time for her, but this has really surprised me. Not sure why they would be finding it amusing - Musk and Trump are hardly figures of fun, for feminists especially, whatever you think of the (clearly far right!) salute.

Musk is a dodgy billionaire meddling in the democratic processes of various countries, UK and USA included (see his recent million dollar stunt), not to mention him owning X and all the influence that entails.

Defend him all you like - I see the truth.

That is not an answer. What other arm movement out there is there that this represents? That was the question.

I didn't ask "is this a Nazi salute", to which your reply could be an answer.

You answering a different question is proof enough that you know it was a Nazi salute and are just trying to justify it away.

Really?

Doesn't look like what Elon did.

Musk is interfering in European politics, too. Who is he aligned with in the UK? Shouldn't you know that?

In Germany he is aligned with the AfD. Can't get much more far right than that.

Why are you pretending? What's wrong with admitting he is far right?

@MrGHardy it's called gaslighting and it's all over MN at the moment.

That is my opinion and the anti defamation league agree with it.

I genuinely find this line of thinking baffling.

It relies on all hand gestures being some sort of named, identifiable gesture and claims a 'gotcha' if the respondent can't say 'But it was this gesture!.'

Reaching your arm and hand out to the crowd is quite a common gesture. Musk was talking about his heartfelt gratitude to the people in the crowd, put his hand over his heart to signify that, and then extending the thanks out by extending his arm and and hand to those before him and behind him. Were Nazi salutes EVER done in that context? That context of gratitude and joy? Yes Musk's movements are stiff and awkward, but all his movements are stiff and awkward. That was hardly likely to change in this moment, was it?

I do wonder if the people crying Nazi, actually saw this clip in its whole context or just watched a snippet on X or tik tok or whatever. Because I really don't see how in the context they can have interpreted it as a Nazi gesture.

This is all bonkers. The left has gone absolutely bonkers.

@MrGHardy what other hand movement does this gesture represent?! Well for one it represents the gesture of a somewhat physically awkward individual saying “thank you” thumping his heart and then flinging out his arm and saying “my heart goes out to you”.

There’s a bunch of very vocal people that have confused po faced nit picking with actual relevant points of view. Tedious bunch.

He did it to the people in front of him, and then to the people behind him, after dancing his way onto stage. Literally just like Hitler. Who was well known for his salsa steps and gosh you should have seen his Argentinian Tango. Legendary.

😂😂

All of this!

If you just get your news from the BBC, I can understand that people may not comprehend the pathetic-ness of the accusations.

The BBC reported this as below. Some might say that this is 'balanced' because they are reporting 'both sides', but I find that disingenuous and very sneaky. They have spent hours and hours dissing Musk prior to this particular report (I wonder why? Hmmmm nothing to do with X being a direct competitor to the news at all), always speaking in tones of disgust (you can hear it in the article) and they do things like quote a 'Historian of Fascism' to say that it is definitely a nazi salute.

It is so blatantly obvious it is not a nazi salute, but how this type of reporting works is it creates division, argument and also pushes an agenda - the BBC agenda which is partly left but mostly as believers that they own the Truth and have the Authority over our information. When they write like this, they can't exactly be accused of being one sided as they do offer both sides, but note the tone, the emphasis and the fact they are even reporting on this at all.

If you had to provide a non-politicised report of that speech you might write something like this:

<<Elon Musk addressed his supporters to express his gratitude in electing Donald Trump as the President of the United States. It was clear the billionaire entrepreneur was overwhelmed by the fact that the American people had supported his and Trump's bid for the presidency, saying "the future of civilisation is assured"

That is all that happened 🙄

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o

It’s interesting that all of the ‘how stupid / pathetic to call it a Nazi gesture, loony left’ are completely ignoring the fact that this thread wasn’t actually about whether or not it was a Nazi gesture.

Discussions often change and move on, just like in real life.

@HumHU3 but if you’re of the view that it’s ridiculous to suggest Elon Musk was doing a Nazi salute (as JK and JB are) why wouldn’t you mock those who think he was? Particularly as both of them have been the subject of endless allegations of being a Nazi.

Whether or not they care for Musk is irrelevant to whether or not he was doing a Nazi salute.

But strange they’re the people steering it in the direction of arguing about the meaning of the gesture, despite thinking discussing the meaning of the gesture is pathetic …

I’ve addressed this several time earlier but IMO if, like JB, you’re committed to the feminist cause, I find it very odd that you would be laughing and joking about Musk and Trump - whether or not you think they are ‘Nazis’. Too much at stake, too big a threat to feminism and women’s rights.

No it was a scolding of 2 women which if you want to, you can do straight on their twitter feeds and scold them directly.

Its because we assume that Bindel and JKR are laughing at those who think it was a Nazi gesture. Which rather unsurprising leads to a debate on whether it was a Nazi gesture. If you are unhappy with this direction, then it was probably unwise of you to start this conversation in the first place.

Oh I’m not unhappy I just find it very interesting in what it suggests!

Which is?

@HumHU3 one of the things I admire most about JK Rowling and Julie Bindel is their unwavering commitment to truth and honesty and their refusal to be hijacked by identity politics.

I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked which other salute performs that exact arm movement?

Can you answer or not?

I am not sure what your point is. If this is so common, link a video.

Um, I think the point being made is that it wasn’t a salute at all, just an excitable man gesturing to the audience. You’re starting in the wrong place.

This reminds me of some fool online who thought Starmer’s “release the sausages” was proof that he didn’t care about Israeli hostages and was in league with Hamas.