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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Shortbread49 · 14/12/2023 07:04

Is new man not concerned that she has spent 3 weeks on holiday away from a 6 year old especially as at moment all school Xmas things are happening would be a red flag for me. Wonder if she chats to her while away as that would mean having to speak to ex and new partner

RhinoRhino · 14/12/2023 07:06

'Worky things' 😂 A bit of business development for the Schloss? Or maybe Ms Fraser has been newly recruited at one of Skye's top hotels.

In any case, looks like she's having a lovely time up there with her parents.

GinnyWoolf · 14/12/2023 11:19

Not sure she's with her parents as we were 'treated' to that photo of her new man's lovely tracksuit bottoms. But who knows? Nothing is what it seems in LizLand.

RhinoRhino · 14/12/2023 11:47

Parents. I'm willing to bet a quid on it.😄

GinnyWoolf · 14/12/2023 14:52

Oh, so you mean that Trackie Bottom Man might be DAD? Guess it's possible. Anything is possible in the impossible life of LF.

Raffington55 · 14/12/2023 15:45

GinnyWoolf · 14/12/2023 14:52

Oh, so you mean that Trackie Bottom Man might be DAD? Guess it's possible. Anything is possible in the impossible life of LF.

I reckon trackie bottom/banana shoes/maroon trotters is the bf BUT was only there at the w/e as, unlike Liz, he takes 'worky things' seriously, and therefore had to get back to them. I guess she could be with her parents now though if they are in Scotland.

TomatoSoupkitchen · 14/12/2023 21:41

Being with someone with the baggage of kids and still raging conflict with their ex is going to have challenges. He’ll have his own backstory. Life, commitments. He might have friends and family he sees! Navigating this is going to take maturity and empathy and what does Liz have none of?!

If he’s a dad, chances are he likes to spend time with them. Do things or chill just with them or even take them to school! If he doesn’t have kids will he want to spend much time with a 6 year old? He’s an ultra marathon runner not a saint. 6 year olds get stones in their shoes, their legs ache, they need a wee and these are the good bits I’ll be honest as a mum of straightforward boys i find the drama and screeching of girls bloody annoying I won’t lie 🙈 Whatever Liz is going to rage inside until she rages a la Venice.
She can’t hack her own 6 year old getting in her way. Someone else’s kids don’t stand a chance imagine they’re attractive 20 somethings. Women she’ll hate She dumped the other two the second they made her look like a middle aged mum of teenager girls. when S makes her look like the nan of teenagers it’s going to be carnage. If this guy has young adult sons well let’s not go there!
Whatever at some stage they’re all going to meet in the most tense blended family day there ever was. him and his kids staring awkwardly at liz with her group of strangers staring back. I’ll stick to my life thanks.

Raffington55 · 14/12/2023 22:05

TomatoSoupkitchen · 14/12/2023 21:41

Being with someone with the baggage of kids and still raging conflict with their ex is going to have challenges. He’ll have his own backstory. Life, commitments. He might have friends and family he sees! Navigating this is going to take maturity and empathy and what does Liz have none of?!

If he’s a dad, chances are he likes to spend time with them. Do things or chill just with them or even take them to school! If he doesn’t have kids will he want to spend much time with a 6 year old? He’s an ultra marathon runner not a saint. 6 year olds get stones in their shoes, their legs ache, they need a wee and these are the good bits I’ll be honest as a mum of straightforward boys i find the drama and screeching of girls bloody annoying I won’t lie 🙈 Whatever Liz is going to rage inside until she rages a la Venice.
She can’t hack her own 6 year old getting in her way. Someone else’s kids don’t stand a chance imagine they’re attractive 20 somethings. Women she’ll hate She dumped the other two the second they made her look like a middle aged mum of teenager girls. when S makes her look like the nan of teenagers it’s going to be carnage. If this guy has young adult sons well let’s not go there!
Whatever at some stage they’re all going to meet in the most tense blended family day there ever was. him and his kids staring awkwardly at liz with her group of strangers staring back. I’ll stick to my life thanks.

Yes, I expect she will be irritated that he's not prepared to completely EMPTY his life of all commitments (including children if they exist) to focus 100% on her and the relationship. This is clear already as he has likely gone off to dedicate himself to said commitments (again, 'worky') while she has already freed up the rest of her life and offloaded her six year old, by the looks of it permanently. After dating for about two weeks. Mental behaviour indeed. I also wonder if she hasn't decided to permanently move to Venice (with her desire to finally learn Italian per Instagram). Someone said bf's banana shoes were Italian, so maybe a permanent move is why Scout has been abandoned - a fourth child now discarded for a man and that sweaty touristy sh*thole. Pretty sad to abandon your kid to move closer to a guy you've been dating for about three weeks.

RhinoRhino · 15/12/2023 07:43

Ben Shephard new host of This Morning.

🤔

Raffington55 · 15/12/2023 08:25

RhinoRhino · 15/12/2023 07:43

Ben Shephard new host of This Morning.

🤔

@RhinoRhino Cue new insta post "It feels like the right time to say this. I have now decided to focus on my media presence and parenting specialisation. It feel so RIGHT and I am so HAPPY about it and if it HELPS one person bla bla bla" ... (gets on phone to Ben, packs Billy-Jean skirt)

RhinoRhino · 15/12/2023 09:29

@Raffington55 😂

At the very least there should be more pieces to camera and some strategic 'tagging'.

What about a piece about the 'thing'? You know; the waterfall ........

Wrongsideofliz · 15/12/2023 11:37

Will she get a regular spot on the sofa? Does she dare?!

Wrongsideofliz · 15/12/2023 11:38

I thought the thingy was worky thingy. Maybe she means, his thingy?!

Umbrellaisback · 15/12/2023 12:59

‘I don’t run to compete with others’

i just post and repost and repost again evidence that I am the fastest and the fittest and the best in my age group and in the top percentage in my age group for the entire country and here is another medal

Raffington55 · 15/12/2023 15:46

Umbrellaisback · 15/12/2023 12:59

‘I don’t run to compete with others’

i just post and repost and repost again evidence that I am the fastest and the fittest and the best in my age group and in the top percentage in my age group for the entire country and here is another medal

Well, she insists on saying she's come first in local fun runs, so that's bollocks 😆

Umbrellaisback · 16/12/2023 08:07

Amused at how in response to her grifting ‘influencer’ posts on here and TL she has hidden the like count to her last two running posts not realising anyone can just click and count them anyway. 34 and 35 if you were wondering. I’m sure brooks are delighted with the engagement on the jacket we know is ‘sexy’ but can’t see properly and know nothing about in terms of jacket-ness. Really making me as a runner want to rush out and buy it

Umbrellaisback · 16/12/2023 08:12

Also laughing at how her newly curated Instagram feed has moved on from I’m a mother to I’m a publisher to I’m a travel photographer and is now all focused on I’m a runner. Liz you fool no one. It’s still about you and Lord help any wannabe runner who is looking for genuine tips. Pushing yourself to run 26 miles with no training, no nutrition, no plan is not the way to go and is downright dangerous

Perfectlystill · 16/12/2023 08:18

Agree - I'm a runner and would be interested to see the jacket and know what is so good about it. Does it have pockets? Thumb holes? Does it roll really small if you take it off halfway through a run?

Also amused to see she makes up some nonsense to excuse her dodgy teeth which T@ttlers are saying are black because of bulimia. She must think her followers are morons.

Also, the more I hear about her itinerant childhood the more I understand her massive insecurity. Why was she dragged from pillar to post? Just as she has done with S.

Children need firm foundations.

Raffington55 · 16/12/2023 09:37

Umbrellaisback · 16/12/2023 08:12

Also laughing at how her newly curated Instagram feed has moved on from I’m a mother to I’m a publisher to I’m a travel photographer and is now all focused on I’m a runner. Liz you fool no one. It’s still about you and Lord help any wannabe runner who is looking for genuine tips. Pushing yourself to run 26 miles with no training, no nutrition, no plan is not the way to go and is downright dangerous

Also, interesting to see how she shape-shifts to become completely CONSUMED with running now because her bf is an ultra runner. I wonder if he's completely up-ending his life for her? Abandoning kids etc? Becoming obsessed with travel writing? Her other pretend 'worky things'? Thought not.

Marstonroadmrs · 16/12/2023 11:13

Is influencer’s fraud and false claims endorsed by running brand, Brooke’s or is it time this brand does a runner? 🤷‍♀️

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Marstonroadmrs · 16/12/2023 11:14

I hear he’s hosting writing retreats in Venice 🥱

Alightening · 16/12/2023 12:02

@Umbrellaisback its all manic, addictive behaviour, wrapped up in a different bow. maybe, @Perfectlystill, this shapeshifting is rooted in her desperation to get her parents to see her. To hear her. Yo validate her. Still.

Occasionally, we get a glimpse of the vulnerable little girl who could never emotionally grow up because she wasn’t nurtured. This is the parenting role. To nurture a helpless baby through the stages of holistic growth to a confident adult, ready and able to take in the highs snd the lows.

She’s written about the loneliness of her childhood. Maybe this was subconsciously why she studied psychology.

If she actually is honest and works WITH professionals to explore the root causes of her life issues I would genuinely follow her, read the discoveries, ONLY if presented by experts on the subjects. She’s not unique.

We are a generation of damaged adults. Our mothers pioneered feminism to a new level. It’s possible while marching and working for equality, a little of the mothering nurture we all need was forgotten?

I was a latchkey kid. I still ‘feel’ getting home from school to an empty house. Yet, I’ve pursued a career and am very conscious that often I’m not present for my children even when present. I’m knackered from trying and not succeeding to be who and what I want to be and giving all I need to to the children I chose to have.

From the outside, I’m sure people envy my life. I have the ‘glamorous media career’ Liz purports to have. From the inside, it’s not glamorous. It’s long hours and often toxic. I just want to sit down with friends and while away the day drinking coffee and talking.

But this isn’t what our mothers raised us to do. What we worked to get into uni to do. Did piano grades to increase our offer chances to do. We’re supposed to be “better” than this.

Better being generations of emotionally immature and broken adults raising future generations of the same? 🤷‍♀️

Liz is perpetuating this nonsense by presenting it as easy to do. We’re the losers because we can’t run a marathon without training. We can’t hop on a plain without planning. We can’t get two kids through Oxford effortlessly; raise successful, well balanced, mentally strong adults despite abandoning them to pursue other women’s husbands.

I read her books and columns and before i finally saw through it all, she made me feel I was doing life all wrong.

There is always a root cause. I’ve worked hard to understand mine and work my way through to a quieter mind.

She still needs to do this. There are reasons why she left stable Harry. Harry who is the same age as her brother, for the older man who she left for the younger man. Neither of these men were good bets. Both wearing their own mental health challenges on their sleeves.

She can’t see what we can see. What legions of followers lost have seen. What I assume her adult children can see and why they keep a psychologically safe distance from her. Nurtured and protected by Harry and HIS family. If you know, you know.

Raffington55 · 16/12/2023 12:20

Alightening · 16/12/2023 12:02

@Umbrellaisback its all manic, addictive behaviour, wrapped up in a different bow. maybe, @Perfectlystill, this shapeshifting is rooted in her desperation to get her parents to see her. To hear her. Yo validate her. Still.

Occasionally, we get a glimpse of the vulnerable little girl who could never emotionally grow up because she wasn’t nurtured. This is the parenting role. To nurture a helpless baby through the stages of holistic growth to a confident adult, ready and able to take in the highs snd the lows.

She’s written about the loneliness of her childhood. Maybe this was subconsciously why she studied psychology.

If she actually is honest and works WITH professionals to explore the root causes of her life issues I would genuinely follow her, read the discoveries, ONLY if presented by experts on the subjects. She’s not unique.

We are a generation of damaged adults. Our mothers pioneered feminism to a new level. It’s possible while marching and working for equality, a little of the mothering nurture we all need was forgotten?

I was a latchkey kid. I still ‘feel’ getting home from school to an empty house. Yet, I’ve pursued a career and am very conscious that often I’m not present for my children even when present. I’m knackered from trying and not succeeding to be who and what I want to be and giving all I need to to the children I chose to have.

From the outside, I’m sure people envy my life. I have the ‘glamorous media career’ Liz purports to have. From the inside, it’s not glamorous. It’s long hours and often toxic. I just want to sit down with friends and while away the day drinking coffee and talking.

But this isn’t what our mothers raised us to do. What we worked to get into uni to do. Did piano grades to increase our offer chances to do. We’re supposed to be “better” than this.

Better being generations of emotionally immature and broken adults raising future generations of the same? 🤷‍♀️

Liz is perpetuating this nonsense by presenting it as easy to do. We’re the losers because we can’t run a marathon without training. We can’t hop on a plain without planning. We can’t get two kids through Oxford effortlessly; raise successful, well balanced, mentally strong adults despite abandoning them to pursue other women’s husbands.

I read her books and columns and before i finally saw through it all, she made me feel I was doing life all wrong.

There is always a root cause. I’ve worked hard to understand mine and work my way through to a quieter mind.

She still needs to do this. There are reasons why she left stable Harry. Harry who is the same age as her brother, for the older man who she left for the younger man. Neither of these men were good bets. Both wearing their own mental health challenges on their sleeves.

She can’t see what we can see. What legions of followers lost have seen. What I assume her adult children can see and why they keep a psychologically safe distance from her. Nurtured and protected by Harry and HIS family. If you know, you know.

@Alightening This 🙏🏻👏🏻❤️

Perfectlystill · 16/12/2023 12:46

Yes beautifully put @Alightening

Your words about coming back to an empty house as a child were so evocative and I had to reel back through my children's lives to see if they ever had that beyond the odd rare day. It hurt my stomach, the guilt, til I realised they hadn't really been through that. What powerful writing.

Obviously her parents give her money but it's not enough to repair whatever damage was done in her childhood. And she has made all her children suffer, too, all four of them.

Remember a post she did not that long ago, we all picked it up for its mundanity. It was a picture of a boiled egg and she said something like this is our routine, S and I, we have a boiled egg for breakfast or something.

We all scoffed because it was so boring it wasn't worth posting. Well, THAT 'routine' didn't last long. And I guess to her it wasn't boring but alluring and somehow out of reach as she is clearly unable to provide such stability even to her fourth child - you'd think she'd have managed to work it out by then but no.

I used to follow her as we're the same age, have people in common, work in roughly the same sector, and had children at the same time. I thought she was glamorous and fun and showed that having children didn't mean an end to fun.

Now the scales have fallen from my eyes I follow her out of amazement/horror. But also anger at what she's done/continues to do to her poor children. I sort of wish I'd see her settle down and provide a loving home for S, and all of them.

I know it won't happen as she's become ever madder running round Scotland for hours on end with no real job or sense of motherly duty. I don't know why I still follow but it's like driving past a car crash on the other side of the motorway I suppose. You thank god you're on your side and drive on.

Wrongsideofliz · 16/12/2023 13:39

Yes! We laugh (we get the odd name check 😉) that watching LF is like waiting for the shove penny machine to drop. It will.

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