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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Rollingdownland · 11/12/2023 18:56

Mike's picture of Scout on Insta made me so sad, as she's just a little girl and while Mike's other half is presumably lovely, she will just really want her mum. Who appears not to give a fuck as she's shagging a new man several hundred miles away and seeing how far she can run.

At least she has her dad, but honestly that pic where he put something over her face (quite rightly, for anonymity) followed by Liz's post saying all I do is run and shag this bloke (paraphrasing) broke my heart.

The sadness this selfish woman leaves in her wake.

Hardyards · 11/12/2023 19:20

@Rollingdownland you are so right. Liz posted regularly saying that for years it had just been her and S. This is true. Suddenly, the little girl has lost her mum like she lost her dad.
It must be hard for her to work through this in her head. No mum, no siblings (if she has a relationship with them). She is only now building a relationship with her dad.
Fortunately, though, I get the impression he is fully committed to his daughter where for Liz, she was a a revenge missile. I think with his partner, they have the emotional intelligence to make the best of this for S.
Who knows what LF’s parents and other children must be thinking other than history is repeating itself.
It was called out on Mumsnet months ago that liz started her affair with he that shalt not be named when he son was 6 and it was looking like a will hit 6 and, boom. She’s an open book.

Oxonmumming · 11/12/2023 19:38

Nice one Tim. How to invalidate the lives of four children, three of them female. You clearly aren’t a supporter of equality.

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Oxonmumming · 11/12/2023 19:41

She forgets that quite a few of us are neighbours and parents at her daughter’s school. We get to see the real Liz. The real Liz can’t be filtered… unfortunately. Fingers crossed people are right and that darling little girl and she is, will now be living with her dad who, for all I’ve seen of him, is an attentive father who is adored. 💛

Verity44 · 11/12/2023 19:42

Everything you wise ladies are saying is so true. It's all sadly predictable and I might feel sorry for her if she hadn't done unspeakably awful things to me without a shred of guilt.
I'm finding it hard to believe that this new-found reluctance to share about her private life has come from her spontaneously. She has never worried about over-sharing or breaching her children's privacy before. I believe there must be external drivers behind it.

Possible explanations:

  1. The new man has told her that he does not want her plastering details of their private life all over social media and it is a deal breaker for him;
  2. Following the report/complaint she referred to a few weeks ago perhaps there has been legal activity. Maybe this resulted in a change of care arrangements for the little girl and she is not now allowed to post about her child on social media.
As has been said by others, she has been away a long time. Maybe she's planning to go back to Oxford and hit the shops to find some special stocking fillers for her daughter to open on Christmas day. Even if Liz is not with her daughter this year I'm sure the little one would love to know she is held in mind by mummy and has something to open from her.

To the new man - all I can say if you are reading this - BE VERY AFRAID. She has a serious track record of destroying men when they don't follow the script - and it's a huge, impossible, unachievable script for any human. As Mike found to his cost. He was fully aware of her campaign of vengeance against He-Who-Cannot-Be-Named and thought it wouldn't happen to him ... WRONG!! She is probably already keeping a log of new man's misdemeanours that she will bring out if (when?) it all goes t*ts up.

Verity44 · 11/12/2023 19:50

... Or is it "t*ts down" her lame joke from the "Lifeshambles" days!

Perfectlystill · 11/12/2023 20:05

Look at the profiles of the people who reply to her on Twitter. Grim old men who are presumably there for the thirsty pics of her legs/crotch/arse in ripped shorts. And some questionable women.

Is this what she is destroying all her children's lives for?

Likes from these losers?

Physicsrevision · 11/12/2023 20:15

@Verity44 facts!

Am I right that your husband screwed up is life following an interlude with Liz? Ultra Runner, don’t say you’ve not been warned!

AutumnLeaves55 · 11/12/2023 22:03

She will be back. She can't help herself... the drama is what she thrives on. I just can't believe I bought into it and gave her money. She behaves as if people have been weirdly invested in her for no reason at all, rather than having actively courted her subscribers & made a living from her personal revelations.

Hardyards · 11/12/2023 23:01

For a woman in love, she’s still posting a lot. The paragliding, again!

Raffington55 · 12/12/2023 00:18

Hardyards · 11/12/2023 23:01

For a woman in love, she’s still posting a lot. The paragliding, again!

..,, yes, and always some silly pretext for posting 'someone just liked this'.

In fact 'someone just liked this' is her new version of 'Facebook just reminded me of this' - that was her old made-up favourite reason for posting shite. What's the new bf doing I wonder while she's posting left, right, and centre to social media 24/7?
Her behaviour is starting to slip. Hasn't taken long!

RhinoRhino · 12/12/2023 06:58

I still wouldn't be surprised if "I'm in a relationship" is the romantic equivalent of "I got the job".

But it looks like she's having a lovely holiday with the parents on and around Skye. Lovely place.

Wrongsideofliz · 12/12/2023 09:39

@Hardyards eiyher showing her man that men want her and he’s lucky or still trying to secure man and therefore the same message with a different intent.

Wrongsideofliz · 12/12/2023 10:04

The self belief behind this statement tells you all you need to know;

I wrote four books about being a mum and then watching them fly the nest,* all based on my own experiences and thoughts about it. I never give advice. I just say how it is for me, and what helped me survive it!

The youngest of these 3 is still in education. The middle lives with her father and the eldest soon will again and the son during holidays. When SHE FLEW THE NEST,* the kids were 15, 17 and 20?. Still, none of them are flown or established as independent adults.

xxxxxx

From a year ago and all very plausible. I like this woman. I feel connected to her-on paper. Then you get to know her, and I have, in person, over the past few years. Some people I know who know her are still under her spell. It’s not for me to break. We should all take each other as we come.

Reread this when you know the “woman behind the squares” and you realise she’s projecting the woman, mother, professional and no doubt, lover she wants to be. As she will oft remind us, she has a degree from Cambridge and so is intelligent enough, academically to see through her own flannel. She’s not emotionally intelligent enough to see that we do too. Her parents and children likely do and her lovers past have. Lover present?!

https://lizfraser.substack.com/p/welcome

Welcome 💛

Who am I? What is 'Flying Solo'?

https://lizfraser.substack.com/p/welcome

RhinoRhino · 12/12/2023 10:30

@Wrongsideofliz An interesting read indeed. Ms Fraser spends huge amounts of time controlling a narrative that has a negligible impact on the world. It's a lot of effort, just to impress Ade, to attempt to wind up the MN cleaners and to wage personal vendettas against former lovers and those close to them.

She's doing her utmost to control the narrative at the moment with her latest announcement. She doesn't want anybody to look closely at the DV/family stuff any more, because it no longer suits her agenda. Most people simply don't care whether or not she is in love, in Skye, happeeeeeeee, expending more calories than she ingests etc. A lot of us on here totally appreciate the benefits of regular running - including a good, long mind-clearing run to restore sanity in stressful times - and who doesn't like a pic of some lovely scenery?

But people who follow the drama rightly and reasonably wonder why a mother of a 6-year-old - who did everything in her power to trash the reputation of the child's father, and made it her life's work for the best part of two years to keep father and daughter separate - now seems to be spending large amounts of time away from home, hundreds of miles from her youngest child. All the while the child seems to be spending more and more time with a man who we were supposed to believe was so dangerous there had to be injunctions keeping him away from his own daughter.

Liz wants us to look 'over there' at what she wants us to see, but we see what we want to. And what I see is a mother who seems to be well on the path to being largely estranged from her young and vulnerable child. A child whose formative years were chaotic and likely very frightening with 2 toxic parents in the grip of addiction.

Heart-breaking for the child, and entirely preventable if the mother had made wiser decisions with the child's wellbeing the priority.

Skye is beautiful. But the wellbeing of our children is so much more important.

Wrongsideofliz · 12/12/2023 11:06

@RhinoRhino 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Her recent decision to portray M's GF as the wrongdoer didn't sit well with many customers at my workplace. This unkind and unnecessary move caused her to lose a significant amount of sympathy. Some did still have some for her!

Liz, you should remember that sometimes, less is more. Allow people to make their own mistakes; if they're going to trip up, they will. Her shoes appear to fit quite well, in my opinion. I noticed you were wearing a similar pair of boots not long ago. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, Liz. She must be thrilled! Sistas.

RhinoRhino · 12/12/2023 12:28

@Wrongsideofliz I must have missed the sabotage attempts on M's new partner, but I can well imagine. SM rants perchance? Angry allusions? Playing the victim? Using F-bombs? (Or C-bombs, which she seems to favour ....) Going crazy with the thought of losing control?

Yeah. I can imagine.

protectyourpeace · 12/12/2023 13:52

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Lindaofoxford · 12/12/2023 14:27

I suspect several are alias accounts. The remainder are beyond naive. They do eventually catch on. This time last year, when LF was cashing in on the ‘temporary’ cost of living crisis 🙄she had high engagement and funding from a loyal set of men and women. Theyre now conspicuous by their absence. I assume blocked for questioning her ready move from freezing and starving children to sunbaked child on the back of a bike in Sicily. the block feature is her keep out of jail card. It won’t be long before the chap starts questioning where all these ‘words’ are published. It’s hard to hide ‘behind the scenes’ work from one’s lover, if of the living and breathing variety @protectyourpeace

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 12/12/2023 18:51

Attract man with relentless 'pick me' dancing. She's not like other girls.

Feign passionate interest in their hobbies & interests to reel them in. Man feels so understood! So adored!

Attempt to best them at their hobbies & interests. Man feels slightly inadequate & like he's somehow in a perpetual competition.

Get pregnant/marry him.

Reality dawns.

Man realises he's made a huge mistake.

Exact vengeance forever.

Wrongsideofliz · 12/12/2023 21:10

The TV show of her life makes, The Couple Next Door seem like idea neighbours. C4 catch-up if you’ve not watched. LF and s Evie. Quite literally😱

Raffington55 · 12/12/2023 21:14

A couple of questions for Liz on her post yesterday about changing her social media behaviour:

  1. "I intend to live the rest of this life on my terms, in my personal, public and professional spheres..."

Liz, when have you not lived life on your own terms - trampling others and destroying people in your personal, public and professional (for want of a better word) lives. This is by no means a change in direction for you!

  1. "Whom I love, who I am with, where I am, what I'm doing....this is all for me to choose to share, or not...."

Liz, you suddenly speak as though people have been FORCING YOU to share about your life 🤣🤣. Nobody has forced you to rampantly OVERSHARE every single detail of your life as you have for years up until now. You have bored the world (save for about three leary old men) TO DEATH with your oversharing, in fact. I've no doubt you will be selective anyway about what you 'choose' to share, and that we can look forward to a raft of thirst shots and lots of ridiculous showing off of the Garmin!

Be gone now! Keep your word!

Justsomeadvice · 12/12/2023 21:20

Since when was Liz a whisky drinker? Aperol Spritz I thought. Oh! When in Scotland, with a man who drinks whisky I assume. Let’s hope for his sake she’s not an angry whisky drinker. Yes, you’re right, multiple people on Twitter did have to correct her spelling to the Scottish spelling. Try hard isn’t trying hard enough!

Waverleyst · 12/12/2023 23:02

Mike's mental strength in continuing his recovery and defending himself against Liz's slander was crucial. If he had given up, Liz would have been lumbered with a 6-year-old, which is the last thing she wants. She used to complain incessantly about being a single, solo, absent mother, day in and day out. Some of us are widowed or caring for husbands with terminal illnesses, all without trust funds! Does she hear us complaining? No!

Raffington55 · 12/12/2023 23:57

Waverleyst · 12/12/2023 23:02

Mike's mental strength in continuing his recovery and defending himself against Liz's slander was crucial. If he had given up, Liz would have been lumbered with a 6-year-old, which is the last thing she wants. She used to complain incessantly about being a single, solo, absent mother, day in and day out. Some of us are widowed or caring for husbands with terminal illnesses, all without trust funds! Does she hear us complaining? No!

I also expect she would have been delighted if he'd relapsed. All his sobriety has been achieved away from her, which speaks volumes.

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