We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

People can vote how they want. HTH

Yes.

My view on this is there’s a very vocal but pretty small minority of people for whom this is the deciding factor. I really don’t think the election will be won or lost on this issue tbh.

I thought that, but I'm not so sure after reading that thread

Tory Tories or labour Tories? Not much choice tbf.

I hope not but yes, probably.

There's no decent party out there. I can't imagine bringing myself to vote Tory and lib Dems and labour don't deserve my vote either.

(a) it's not a "fringe issue". It's fundamental to women's citizenship and participation in healthcare, education, sport, work and public life in this country.

(b) people can vote for whoever they want for whatever reason they want. It's up to political parties to convince us they will act in our interests. IMO the Labour Party is not doing a brilliant job of that at the moment, which saddens me but they aren't going to get my sympathy vote as a result.

It won't determine the election.

Everyone is allowed to vote how they want. The idea actually that everyone should vote in self interest (which I think is what you are suggesting and disagreeing with) isn't intrinsically bad. If everyone votes, and everyone votes in self interest, than the winner of the majority of votes will therefore represent the interests of the majority of the population.

Weirdly, this idea seems to upset the left quite often, as they tend to think people should vote against their self interest for the greater good, which is, conveniently, whatever they are offering.

I've always voted left until very very recently (by election). I have decided that women's rights are my line in the sand, and as my Labour MP believes that anyone can be a woman who says they are a woman, I won't vote for him. I might vote for the Tory candidate, if they seem sensible.

but still a differentiation which is important IMO. I am trying to gauge if other people think that's important/think this issue is worth having Tories again/actively support Tories because of it

'not voting' is effectively a Tory vote isn't it

I don’t think it will win the election, but women’s rights are very important. I personally wouldn’t vote for labour because of they way they have handled this, and other issues affecting mainly women too, for example childcare.

I doubt it. It's often discussed on Mnet, but IRL, it's mortgages and cost of living that's the problem.

The other thing is that this trans shitshow happened under and because of the Tories. This is when PM Theresa May put Self ID on the table and things went rapidly downhill from there.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

exactly!

I'm a floating voter. Always have been. Parties can change so much in a few years - I do not have an allegiance to any particular party. However, this issue is extremely important to me and will decide the way I vote. I may vote Tory because of this although I doubt they have much of a chance. I do not wish to spoil my ballot and in previous years when disillusioned have chucked a vote to the Greens or lib dem but frankly they hate women as well.

However, I strongly believe Labour will win the next GE. I just don't want it on my conscious to have voted for them. Voting Tory will be nothing but a protest vote (I don't want another Tory government either).

Life long Labour voter. Labour Party member. And I spoiled my ballot paper at the last general election on this issue. And I may well do the same again this time.

The Tories are so stunningly incompetent I wouldn't vote for them even if I agreed with their ideologies.

I also don't get how you can be a single issue GC voter and vote for the party that brought in self-ID. Tories don't give a shit about women and won't do anything for women, because they don't give a shit about society in general. They hold the voting public in contempt. That is their defining ideology.

The last Labour government brought more than 600,000 children of poverty in this country, whereas a footballer had to force the hand of the conservative government over free school meals, that’s just one of the reasons I’ll vote Labour.

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I’m not not voting Labour because of the GC issue, but because I don’t know what they would actually do about anything - the economy, employment etc. To me, they are a waste of a vote at the moment.

I doubt it. It's often discussed on Mnet, but IRL, it's mortgages and cost of living that's the problem.

A huge part of cost of living is childcare costs for those of us with children of that age, especially for those who earn too much for UC contributions but not enough to be able to comfortably pay a £1500 monthly childcare bill. Labour are trying to screw us (mainly women) on that too.

Not saying I’m going to vote Tory, but I definitely won’t be voting labour.

Opinion polls put Labour anything between 15 to 20odd points ahead so you KNOW that this simply isn’t going to happen so your post is pure hyperbole.
Whilst having a Labour govt installed might be the most important thing to you, it’s actually isnt for others and it’s amazing and much needed that there are committed activists who will take a single issue like women’s rights or environmental protection and make it their hill to die on. If they didn’t, policy would never change. Do you genuinely believe that Starmer had some blinding moment of clarity and fundamentally change his views on women’s rights and the definition of womanhood or do you think the 1000’s of women who made it their hill to die on and have painstakingly changed begun to change public opinion may have influenced him change Labour’s stance just before a general election

Yes. The valid outcome of the democratic process is always fine with me.

Current Conservative tactics include identifying wedge issues that might seal a vote. That ranges from urban speed limits to what a woman is. I doubt that it will change the likely election result.

I don't think the Tories will win because of Labour's gender issues. But omg would not vote Labour after watching Rachel Reeves bang on about Liz Truss... move ON for god sake.