We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

FWIW I don't think we will end up with a Tory government. I think Labour will win by a respectable majority but we won't be any better off because they appear to have absolutely no clue what they're doing. I don't get the impression they even want to win and have to sort out the horrendous mess this country is in.

Do you genuinely believe that Starmer had some blinding moment of clarity and fundamentally change his views on women’s rights and the definition of womanhood or do you think the 1000’s of women who made it their hill to die on and have painstakingly changed begun to change public opinion may have influenced him change Labour’s stance just before a general election

And do you genuinely believe that the Tories give a shit about trans issues, and are not just casting for votes too?

I'll wait until nearer the time and see what each side stand for. Got to be honest though, I'm REALLY not liking the building on farmland proposals by Labour.

I won't be voting at all. Never do. They're all the same. Give you all these promises just to get in then do fuck all. Rich are going to keep getting richer and poorer are going to get a poorer. Sadly I don't think it's ever going to change

The Tories are just stoking up the trans issues deliberately. To allow them back into power given their record on their economy , NHS and education would be laughable

Sorry what relevance does that have in anyway to the OP or my response? The OP is critising people who won’t vote for a labour govt over a single issue that they deem not important enough.

Move on?! It was only a year ago and we're very much feeling the damage.

OP I agree wioth your stance. I am GC and hope that most of the misguided 'single issue' voters (misguided because the tories brought in self ID, will say anything to divide and win votes through wedge issues, and are no friend to women) were going to vote tory anyway. The polls don't eliminate my worries though as there are many closet tory voters out there who wouldn't admit it in a poll.

Most people don't care and many don't even know, about this issue.

It IS a fringe issue to the majority of the electorate.

Yep.

They're using people.

Erm, OP here. Actually I am asking

1. whether people ARE switching to conservative over this one issue

2. would you have voted Conservative anyway?

And

3. giving my opinion (as is only polite, when soliciting other people's opinions, I feel)

What is GC?

Oh don't!

This.

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

Polls do not and have not looked good for conservatives for a while so I think it hyperbole to assume people having dissatisfaction with Labour means a another conversative government.

I'm a floating voter - center left so should be shoo in for Labour - but I'm not I have deep concerns about them - one of which is their anti women stance and their policy announcements to counter this perception have so far seem deeply flawed giving me concerns about their critical thinking skills.

I also have local issues - really poor Labour MP - and a growing feeling that Labour take this area and votes for granted and they do little or nothing for the area.

So who I end up voting is unclear - I haven't written Labour off yet - but I'm not going to be guilted into voting for them either.

I'm a feminist, of the old school fairly radical kind. I won't be voting Conservative. There are vanishingly few circumstances where I would ever actually consider doing so because everything the Conservative party stands for and does is antithetical to my politics and beliefs.

I won't be voting Labour, and would find it very difficult to vote for the Lib Dems or the Greens, given their attitude towards women who don't kowtow to gender ideology. So in my constituency that leaves me no one at all to vote for. Unless there is a local independent or similar that has rational and reasonable policies. Not that my vote matters at all in our FPTP system, given my constituency has had a large Conservative majority for longer than anyone in the constituency has been alive.

So, no idea if that makes me culpable for another Conservative government or not.

I profoundly dislike Labour's stance on this but have no trust in the Tories' position either - it seems they are fomenting a culture war to win over wavering voters. I am GC but not prepared to usher in another five years of this crap show of a government, sacrificing all my other principles along the way: I've never been a single issue voter and am not going to become one now. It's messy but so is life.

I won't be able to bring myself to vote for either tbh, the Tory's because they're a cesspit of corruption and uselessness and Labour because they have thrown women to the wolves in 'opposition' and I have zero faith that they'll do anything different in power, whatever mealy-mouthed reverse ferreting they do before the election. You are right that all this has happened on the Tory's watch, and Labour had every opportunity to do their job (as the opposition) and question what was happening. They failed to do so and that failure is unforgivable for me because the repercussions for women and children are so harmful and far reaching.

I’m utterly baffled by women voting Tory because they “know what a woman is”. They don’t give a shit about women - well rich women they do but certainly not the vast majority of women. The social destruction that the Tories have engineered over the last 13 years has impacted women far more than the trans issue. It’s been utterly devastating to so many women - and it can’t be allowed to carry on 😢🤬.

I suspect that most women who take that stance (not all I may add) are not poor or vulnerable.

@DivingForLove and @PeanutAndBanana I agree with what you have written totally

All western governments seem to have been captured re self-ID to a greater or lesser extent. It's part of a global anti-women and children agenda. The difference here is that ours walked away from it.

Labour did precisely nothing to oppose it or hold the government account over it. They've happily championed it in Wales and Scotland. They've actively chosen not to help women and to endanger children.

No I won't vote for them. Previously I spoilt my ballot over it as I couldn't vote Labour again and had done all my life.

Will either spoil or vote Tory this time. Women are allowed to be single issue if they want. No one would dare say other groups couldn't be single issue. Just women, because all groups benefit from oppressing women. It's about time politicians actually had to listen to us.

Well I'm not going to vote for anyone, I know a wasted vote, but locally it's either Cons or Lib Dems so......

On all recent issues, whether it be women's health, safety, COVID, Ukraine etc etc etc, I really honestly believe that any government of any flavour wouldn't have done much different over the last ten years, marginal tinkering maybe, less rule breaking. But so many things are dictated by global shifts, or social media trends, or just changes in society, I'm not sure a change of government is going to make the huge shifts that people expect. In any area....at all.....

Immigration would be the defining factor.

do you think that is the explanation...I do thing single issue politics, normally can only come from a position of some privilege/comfort?

Unbelievable really, it would mean we have to import more food and beholden to food prices increasing. We csnt import everything what happened if it was all cut off, we would be absolutely screwed.