We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

Can't see how this benefits women either. Labour seem to be steeped in middle class luxury beliefs, and forcing them on others.

Coercive control and cohabitees’ rights to property - Maria Wheeler and Labour www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4915127-coercive-control-and-cohabitees-rights-to-property-maria-wheeler-and-labour

No, it's not fucking fine with me and I'll be bloody voting for them at this rate. We seem to have dropped to the very bottom of a political version of the Habermassian pyramid of needs, when voting for a party that won't mangle the words you use to mean the very opposite - against your own best interest, is the starting point.

What? Somebody actually swallowed the "luxury beliefs" soundbite?

I will continue to vote Tories. Labour will add 20% to my school fee bill.. no thanks.

It’s all very well to say that it was the Tories who slowed self ID in, and yes I agree that they sleepwalked into it. But at least they are also trying to deal with this mess.

Please name another party who is anti Self ID. I am not aware of one. Other parties, as far as I can see, would have gone further, faster and have no interest in rowing back.

I’ve had a guts full of a conservative government, so I won’t be voting for them.

I’ve also had a guts full of a labour government (Wales) so I won’t be voting for them either.

I won’t be voting for Greens; Lib Dem’s or Plaid.

So, I guess I won’t be voting.

No idea if it'll have a big impact, but yes, whilst never having voted tory before...I absolutely will not vote for a party that doesn't unequivocally know what a woman is....but I also firmly believe in using my right to vote, so at present I only have one option.

People can decide what matters most to them. As a mother of girls, for me it is above Ll else

*all

I agree.

I know here it’s the main issue at all times but look at any polling and it comes way down the list of concerns.

Yougov polling from the 2nd October has the top five ‘most important issues facing the country’ in descending order as being:

Economy
Health
Immigration
Environment
Crime

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

Ah but MrsDanversChickenSandwich, knowing what a woman is wasn't one of the options listed on that survey (I completed it).

Even the Tories don’t think the Tories have a chance of winning. More likely electoral wipe-out.

Thats why so many Tory MPs are standing down at the next election, they don’t want to stand and lose.

I'm likely to vote Conservative for the first time ever. My Con MP has been great on the gender stuff and I have had several communications with him about it. He has written to heads of state on my behalf etc.

I really dont see much difference between the 2 main parties. Except Labour does have lots of women and none of them seem to know what a women actually is.

YouGov seem to be very TWAW

I don't think the next election is a foregone conclusion. So much could happen. And Labour aren't really offering much different. They won't change the benefits system. They've got a totally batshit idea about making teachers brush kids' teeth (will dentists come in and teach maths?). And they're left with fiddling round the edges stuff like the Sue Gray idea of having new departments to mark the work of other departments!! The fuck? Checking government is the job of select committees. Not unaccountable civil servants. How will that improve anything at all? It'll just cost money and keep information away from public view.

But there’s an option for ‘don’t know/none of these.

I don’t think Yougov would be supressing a pressing issue that they thought would be a major vote decider. It's not in their interests to be inaccurate.

TheClitterati definitely. I'm forever being asked my gender when they mean sex (or should mean, I suspect its a deliberate conflation).

Please name another party who is anti Self ID.

I think the UK communist party is but I don't think they have much chance of forming the next government.

I'd want the details of any cohabitees’ rights to property because it's not that uncommon for women to own property in 2023 so I could see people sleep walking into financial liabilities.

I have concerns about menopause comments and announcements about expectation/legal burdens on employers - sound like a positive thing but I've literally just got past age employers worry about me having kids and last thing I need is employers starting to assume I'm unreliable or an extra cost.

It's details and thinking though any potential downsides that I'm not sure have even been thought about let alone have safeguarded for.

I assume near election we'd get actual polices to wade through with details and hopefully costings so I'm still waiting and trying to figure out who to vote for.

I don't think we have ever had a UK communist party member standing in this constituency.

If I was in England - Torys on education would really matter - so RAAC stuff and reforming A-levels/T-levels would all count against them.

I'm in Wales Education and Health is a devolved matter so while very important issues for me it's more a funding source issue in a general election.

Women’s rights & the safeguarding of children are not “ fringe “ concerns.

I'm in outer London most will vote any party promising to scrap Ulez. Just like in Uxbridge people who hated Boris couldn't afford not to vote conservative loads of shops saying they are shutting or going to due to the drop in business.

We have a democracy so if they get in that's what the majority wants. I'm not going to tantrum like a toddler over it.

If it was about that, the focus would be on reinstating Sure Start, funding health and education, social services and the police.

Not whether or not someone in a bike race used to have a willy.

My question to all of the ardent Labour voters is why don't you expect more from the Labour Party on this issue?

I am undecided at the moment, but unless ALL women make it clear to Labour that we are as important as men and that we need single sex spaces to be safe then we can kiss goodbye to women's rights.

It's the 'oh well anything's better than the Tories even if we lose our rights I don't care' attitude from women to this issue that I simply don't understand.

Women and children are being harmed by this, wouldn't it be lovely if the Labour Party could do all the lovely things that the evil tories won't AND make it clear that they reject Self ID and will define women as adult human females when it comes to single sex spaces. They could do this you know!

Then they would have my vote back and loads of other left leaning voters who are dumbfounded by the Labour Party turning it's back on women on this issue.

I'd want the details of any cohabitees’ rights to property because it's not that uncommon for women to own property in 2023 so I could see people sleep walking into financial liabilities.

Oh no who is wanting to bring this in?
I would have been all for it in theory but its a great example of laws with one intention that end up harming thouse it was menat to help..

NZ brought it in many years ago now - with a view to helping women. Unfortuantely I know more women (& their kids) who have been very badly harmed by this law, than those who have been helped. The cocklodger type men have done very well out of it though, and the men who will leave their partner & DC right before the deadline.